From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' From: 'kayleigh' From: Larry E Smith From: 'Eric Rochon' From: 'Michael A Jean' I'm watching The Keep on laserdisc right now, and I've just > passed the section where Glaeken wakes up and takes the boat > across the ocean to get to Molasar and The Keep. Maybe this is > old news, but the music to that part reminds me STRONGLY of the > 'Moorland' track of the 'Daydream' 7'single from 1983. Is it in > fact the same??? > Anybody else made this reflection? > > Very curious, > > Thomas > Helsingborg, Sweden > From: SBS.TBleicher@t... (SBS Thomas Bleicher) Date: Fri Dec 24, 1999 9:37 am Subject: OT: The Millenium Bell Hi all, just a short note on Mike Oldfields 'Millenium Bell' as I´ve read some comments about it in previous digests. Yesterday I have managed to grab a copy and - to be honest - I am very disappointed! It does not come even close to 'Songs From Distant Earth' IMO, although Mike really 'tries' to do so. I´d strongly recommend to 'listen' to the CD in the store before buying it. Well, anyway - Mars Polaris from TD was lightyears better than this one.. (personal opinion mode off) A Merry Christmas to everyone :-) Thomas From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Fri Dec 24, 1999 12:19 am Subject: Re: Introduction >Hello, I'm new to the list. I'm Jmaes Chapman, I'm 21 years old, and I got >into TD about a year ago, when a friend of mine suggested I would like them, >due to my tastes. Since then, I have bought many CDs by TD, my favourites >being Stratosfear, Tangram, Exit (yes, really!) and Poland. I'm yet to hear >anything after 1988, because I'm not that keen on new stuff by anyone, but >the only TD albums I'm not so keen on are Cyclone and the really early >stuff. I'm also a fan of Gary Numan, Kraftwerk, Jarre, The Pet Shop Boys, >late 70s Bowie and a lot of 80s synthpop. > >Cheers, > >James Welcome! I'm also a Kraftwerk and Jean-Michel Jarre fan, as well as a Mike Oldfield fan. I also like Tomita and Kitaro vrymuch. I've been a Tangerine Dream fan since mid August/1999, when I heard for the first time Pergamon. About albums later than 1988, the only one I've got is 220 Volt Live, and it's a very good album IMO. You should give it a try someday. gfj --- Gustavo F. Jobim gustavfj@m... gustavofj@h... From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Fri Dec 24, 1999 4:02 pm Subject: Very special thanks and best wishes Hello evryone! I'd like to say thank TD very much for the wonderful music, and thank you all for being companions on my tadreams, since August, when I first heard TD, and I subscribed to this list via tadream.copfer.com, when Lawry was suggesting the Alpha Centauri discussion week. I wish you all happy Christmas and an excellent last year of the century! Gustavo Jobim, Rio-Brazil, listening Tangram Set 1 sound waves. --- Gustavo F. Jobim gustavfj@m... gustavofj@h... From: Gabe Yedid Date: Fri Dec 24, 1999 4:37 pm Subject: Happy holidays, people. Just wanted to wish you all a happy holiday season and a happy new year/century/millennium, etc. Hope you all have a great time and don't get bitten too hard by the Y2K bug--if you have reason to worry, that is. Let's hope that the new year brings great things from TD! (I hope their new studio is fully Y2K compliant...) holiday cheers, Gabe Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 19993 Re: Happy holidays, people. Antonio Nunes Fri 12/24/1999 1 KB From: Antonio Nunes Date: Fri Dec 24, 1999 7:33 pm Subject: Re: Happy holidays, people. Gabe Yedid wrote: > Let's hope that the new year brings great things from TD! > (I hope their new studio is fully Y2K compliant...) And let's hope also that the Onelist software is Y2K compliant... Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all. Antonio Nunes From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Sat Dec 25, 1999 12:31 am Subject: TD POSTER FYI 222106272: Tangerine Dream Optical Race Poster Private M Bidding starts at: $10.00 Auction ends on: Dec-28-99, 08:35:50 PST http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=222106272 From: José Travieso From: Bennett Cookson From: Jared White From: TJames0001@xxx.xxx Date: Tue Dec 28, 1999 12:59 am Subject: Re: D:Studio [Tangram] Well, said Jared. Tom From: AOutland@xxx.xxx Date: Tue Dec 28, 1999 1:20 am Subject: Re: D:Studio [Tangram] In a message dated 12/27/99 7:13:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, jwhite@s... writes: << I'll just share my thoughts and impressions with you all. >> Thanks for sharing. Very good to read. I won't say much about Tangram. But I think many of you will know how I feel about it when I say it has knocked Live Miles off it's pedestal and is now my number one favorite. Never thought that would happen, but the sheer interwoven beauty of this song is a masterpiece of conception. So, what am I going to call myself in mirc now? TangDell? DellGram? 8-) Dell From: PENFOLD happy new year! The last year of the Millennium, too! :) YA person to be duped by the media 01-01-00 is *not*, I repeat is *NOT* the fucking Millennium! If it was, then Arthur C Clarke would have titled his book _2000: A Space Odyssey_ FYI: 12-31-00 is the LAST day of the Millennium! I am just so sick to death of this Millennium Crap, especially when they can't even get the date right! No wonder why the Europeans call us 'Ugly Americans' I know, I know, nobody likes a math Geek Pete Isaacson DJ DreamHead mailto:penfold@a... 'We throw each piece of equipment three times out of the third floor of our studio complex. If it's still functioning properly, we'll take it on the road. If not, we send it back to Tokyo!...' -- Edgar Froese , on the way Tangerine Dream decides on which instruments to take on the road. From an interview in _Keyboard_ magazine. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20002 Re: OT: 01-01-00 is *not* the Millennium! Synthhtnys@xxx.xxx Tue 12/28/1999 1 KB 20003 Re: OT: 01-01-00 is *not* the Millennium! Joel Mullen Tue 12/28/1999 2 KB 20004 Re: OT: 01-01-00 is *not* the Millennium! Jared White Tue 12/28/1999 2 KB 20005 Re: OT: 01-01-00 is *not* the Millennium! twosheds Tue 12/28/1999 2 KB 20010 Re: OT: 01-01-00 is *not* the Millennium! Gabe Yedid Tue 12/28/1999 3 KB 20011 Re: OT: 01-01-00 is *not* the Millennium! Carl & Jacqui Kearney Tue 12/28/1999 2 KB 20019 Re: OT: 01-01-00 is *not* the Millennium! Gustavo Jobim Wed 12/29/1999 1 KB 20025 Re: OT: 01-01-00 is *not* the Millennium! Gabe Yedid Wed 12/29/1999 1 KB From: 'Thomas' At 1999.12.27 x 16:08, Jared White wrote: > >happy new year! The last year of the Millennium, too! :) > > > YA person to be duped by the media > > 01-01-00 is *not*, I repeat is *NOT* the fucking Millennium! > If it was, then Arthur C Clarke would have titled his book _2000: A Space Odyssey_ > FYI: 12-31-00 is the LAST day of the Millennium! > > > I am just so sick to death of this Millennium Crap, especially when they can't even get the date right! > > No wonder why the Europeans call us 'Ugly Americans' > > I know, I know, nobody likes a math Geek From: Synthhtnys@xxx.xxx Date: Tue Dec 28, 1999 5:52 am Subject: Re: OT: 01-01-00 is *not* the Millennium! I am just so sick to death of this Millennium Crap, especially when they can't even get the date right! No wonder why the Europeans call us 'Ugly Americans' * Or maybe they call us that because of these kinds of responses. I know, I know, nobody likes a math Geek * It's not the math geek thing. It's the anal retention thing. lighten up. From: Joel Mullen From: 'Thomas' > > I say - have fun at New Years! > > Thomas - the ugly viking from Sweden / Europe > > PS. How many years have passed since time in the Western world begun in the year 0? I'd say about 2000. From year 0 to year 1 we have one year that has actually passed. From year 0 to year 2000 we have 2000 years that have actually passed. What's so wrong with that equation??? *curious* > What is wrong is there was NEVER a year 0. It began at day 1 of year 1. Every new year we START the year, not finish it. So 1/1/0001 was the START of the first millenium. The second one will END on 12/31/2000. (the year 2000 is the 2000th year and you need to finish it out to go on to the next 1000 years) And then a new year,decade century, millenium will BEGIN on 1/1/2001. BTW you don't have to be a math freek or geek to be pissed off by the media and the whole western world blowing off this technical fact. And the first person to say 'see you next millenium' on Friday gets punched in the kisser hard enough that I really WON'T see them until next millenium. ;-D Later, Joel From: Jared White \ > At 1999.12.27 x 16:08, Jared White wrote: > >happy new year! The last year of the Millennium, too! :) > > > YA person to be duped by the media > > 01-01-00 is *not*, I repeat is *NOT* the fucking Millennium! > If it was, then Arthur C Clarke would have titled his book _2000: A > Space Odyssey_ > FYI: 12-31-00 is the LAST day of the Millennium! > What a bozo! I said 'hope you all have a happy new year! The last year of the Millennium, too....' In other words, the NEW YEAR is the LAST YEAR of the MILLENNIUM!!! Can't you f***ing read? Don't you start telling me what's what when you can't even get your d*mm facts straight! Yeesh. No wonder the Europeans call us the 'Ugly Americans.' Jared From: 'twosheds' From: 'Pergamon' From: 'Pergamon' No wonder why the Europeans call us 'Ugly Americans' > It is because of other reasons, that some Europeans is calling you ugly americans not because of the millenium-hysteria. If you do not like the millenium-trip, then don't participate. I also think that the real millenium is the next new year. But if people want to celebrate the millenium now, then that is OK for me. Jan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20008 Re: Sv: OT: 01-01-00 is *not* the Millennium! Rudy Russo Tue 12/28/1999 1 KB 20009 Re: Sv: OT: 01-01-00 is *not* the Millennium! Jared White Tue 12/28/1999 1 KB From: Rudy Russo From: 'Pergamon' > > It is because of other reasons, that some Europeans > is calling you ugly americans Yeah? Like what? Let's hear 'em. Rudy. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com From: 'Jared White' From: Rudy Russo > > > From: 'Pergamon' > > > > It is because of other reasons, that some Europeans > > is calling you ugly americans > > Yeah? Like what? Let's hear 'em. Uh, guys, gals, this *is* a list for Tangerine Dream fans, isn't it? :) Let's get back on track! Jared P. S. I'm ordering Edgar Froese's Beyond the Storm today. The RealAudio sound clips floating about the 'Net sound pretty darn cool.... From: Gabe Yedid What is wrong is there was NEVER a year 0. It began at day 1 of year 1. > Every new year we START the year, not finish it. So 1/1/0001 was the > START of the first millenium. If you want to be very picky about things, wouldn't the Christian calendar have to start right about 1 second after whenever Jesus was delivered on Dec. 25th, making it 1 B.C. and 1 A.D. on the same day? ;-) ;-) ;-) > The second one will END on 12/31/2000. > (the year 2000 is the 2000th year and you need to finish it out to go on > to the next 1000 years) And then a new year,decade century, millenium > will BEGIN on 1/1/2001. So, this decade only really began in 1991, then? Not like it matters, since 1) The whole Christian calendar is 3 to 4 years off anyway 2) Measuring history in time spans that are multiples of 10 matters only to humans > BTW you don't have to be a math freek or geek to be pissed off by the > media and the whole western world blowing off this technical fact. And > the first person to say 'see you next millenium' on Friday gets punched > in the kisser hard enough that I really WON'T see them until next > millenium. > ;-D What it stems from, most obviously, is that the change from 19 to 20 has a bigger visual impact--and therefore more easily exploitable and marketable--than going from 00 to 01. It gives most people the sense we've actually gone somewhere. This whole debacle over the Y2K issue has also given some impetus to the millenialist doomsayers, even though any kind of disaster that may result is entirely a result of our own short-sightedness. > Later, > > Joel cheers, Gabe secure in the sense that this has been a good 5759 and not worrying about any kind of millenium issues since I won't live to see them anyway! From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' To: Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 1999 4:45 AM Subject: [tadream] OT: 01-01-00 is *not* the Millennium! > At 1999.12.27 x 16:08, Jared White wrote: > >happy new year! The last year of the Millennium, too! :) > > > YA person to be duped by the media > > 01-01-00 is *not*, I repeat is *NOT* the fucking Millennium! > If it was, then Arthur C Clarke would have titled his book _2000: A > Space Odyssey_ > FYI: 12-31-00 is the LAST day of the Millennium! > > > I am just so sick to death of this Millennium Crap, especially when > they > can't even get the date right! > > No wonder why the Europeans call us 'Ugly Americans' > Well actually we some times call you worse than that , but hey I love a Maths Geek , nothing wrong with that. Glad to see some people over there have some sense on the matter. After all we here in the UK are responsible for the time keeping so I guess you would expect us to get it right. ( NOT ) Best regards ' Orch ' From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' From: 'Michael A Jean' From: 'Greg' From: Gabe Yedid > > What it stems from, most obviously, is that the change from 19 to 20 > has a bigger visual impact--and therefore more easily exploitable and > marketable--than going from 00 to 01. It gives most people the sense > we've actually gone somewhere. This whole debacle over the Y2K issue has > also given some impetus to the millenialist doomsayers, even though any > kind of disaster that may result is entirely a result of our own > short-sightedness. > Gabe Hey Gabe.. I really think can't wait anyway for it to happen and like you said, visual impact. Add this to the whole Y2K hype and you basically have what most people are calling the Millennium. Logically speaking it is 2001, and very easy to figure out math-wise, but that isn't going to stop it. As for you Euros (no harm hehehe) I hear all you guys are having big 'Millennium Parties' where you all are. I don't know what station, but it will be live world around. So it isn't anyone's or and country's fault that people can't wait. Jared Yah Beyond the Storm is great stuff, but I lost a disc.. cra...ck! ouch! I well stepped on disc two by accident, and I miss it very much. There are some really good songs on there, although tagentized, to me it isn't a very big deal. You gotta hear 'Magic Latern' tho! If you can't get a hold of some old Frose solo work, then this is a good album to have. Greg H. First Listen 4:15 PM 12/28/99 'Mars Polaris' Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20023 Re: Millennium! & Beyond the Storm Steven Le Vine Wed 12/29/1999 2 KB 20040 Re: Millennium! & Beyond the Storm Greg Wed 12/29/1999 2 KB From: Gustavo Jobim From: Richard Ford , Michael A Jean writes >From: 'Michael A Jean' > > >Does anyone know if that New Years Eve concert is being broadcast in the >States? Or Europe... -- Richard Ford From: 'Marcel Engels' From: Richard Ford > > >Does anyone know if that New Years Eve concert is being broadcast in the > >States? > > Or Europe... I believe it's being broadcasted over here in The Netherlands... You can also surf to www.virtuetv.com/music/jmj.html on the 31th dec. I will probably tape it from television. Marcel From: Gustavo Jobim If you want to be very picky about things, wouldn't the Christian calendar >have to start right about 1 second after whenever Jesus was delivered on >Dec. 25th, making it 1 B.C. and 1 A.D. on the same day? > >;-) ;-) ;-) That is a symbolic date. According to scientific researches, the brigthness of the Bethelehem Star probably was the brightness caused by a line-up of four planets, which happened around September of 7 a.C., or something. When Gregory developed his calendar, which we use today, the calculations made by... Dionisium whoever... don't know the English version for his name, but in Portuguese he's called Dionísio, for the first year, the year in which Christ was born, were slightly wrong, so he picked the wrong year to mark the year 1. I hope that clarified something. gfj --- Gustavo F. Jobim gustavfj@m... gustavofj@h... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20022 Re: TO END THIS BORING SUBJECT!! (Date clarificat Gabe Yedid Wed 12/29/1999 1 KB 20028 Re: TO END THIS BORING SUBJECT!! (Date clarificat Gustavo Jobim Wed 12/29/1999 1 KB From: Gustavo Jobim Gabe >secure in the sense that this has been a good 5759 and not worrying about >any kind of millenium issues since I won't live to see them anyway! You mean, 5760 (we are already in 5760 in the Jewish calendar, right?) --- Gustavo F. Jobim gustavfj@m... gustavofj@h... From: Jared White From: Gustavo Jobim > > >If you want to be very picky about things, wouldn't the > Christian calendar > >have to start right about 1 second after whenever Jesus was > delivered on > >Dec. 25th, making it 1 B.C. and 1 A.D. on the same day? > > > >;-) ;-) ;-) > > That is a symbolic date. According to scientific researches, > the brigthness > of the Bethelehem Star probably was the brightness caused by > a line-up of > four planets, which happened around September of 7 a.C., or > something. Um, were those scientists actually there at the time? Did they witness the event personally? Who's to say that the Bethlehem Star wasn't real? Jared Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20021 Re: TO END THIS BORING SUBJECT!! (Star clarificat Gustavo Jobim Wed 12/29/1999 2 KB 20024 Re: TO END THIS BORING SUBJECT!! (Star clarificat Gabe Yedid Wed 12/29/1999 2 KB 20027 Re: TO END THIS BORING SUBJECT!! (Star clarificat Jared White Wed 12/29/1999 1 KB From: Gustavo Jobim > That is a symbolic date. According to scientific researches, >> the brigthness >> of the Bethelehem Star probably was the brightness caused by >> a line-up of >> four planets, which happened around September of 7 a.C., or >> something. > > >Um, were those scientists actually there at the time? Did they witness >the event personally? Who's to say that the Bethlehem Star wasn't real? > >Jared They said that it wasn't really a star, it was the brightness of the planets one behind the other. Oh, well, they can't be 100% certain. It's just calculations... Maybe there was indeed a bigger star that appeared there and guided the 3 kings to Bethelehem... We in Brazil have a habit of calling Venus the 'Dalva star', because it's the first 'star' that appears in the dusk sky. --- Gustavo F. Jobim gustavfj@m... gustavofj@h... From: Gabe Yedid From: Gustavo Jobim > > >If you want to be very picky about things, wouldn't the Christian calendar > >have to start right about 1 second after whenever Jesus was delivered on > >Dec. 25th, making it 1 B.C. and 1 A.D. on the same day? > > > >;-) ;-) ;-) > > That is a symbolic date. According to scientific researches, the > brigthness of the Bethelehem Star probably was the brightness caused by > a line-up of gfj Ohhh, Gustavo, didn't you notice the line of smileys?? I can't believe you took it that seriously! Gabe looking forward to _Great Wall of China _in 2000...assuming I'm able to order it online. From: 'Steven Le Vine' From: 'Greg' > > Jared > Yah Beyond the Storm is great stuff, but I lost a disc.. cra...ck! ouch! I > well > stepped on disc two by accident, and I miss it very much. There are some > really good songs on there, although tagentized, to me it isn't a very big > deal. You gotta hear 'Magic Latern' tho! If you can't get a hold of some > old Frose solo work, then this is a good album to have. I LOVE BTS! IMHO, It would be on my top 10 list (If I ever made one :) Bought mine new for $22.00 with a cracked jewel cas. Hell, I did'nt care. i sSaw one in a used CD store for months. Kept e-mailing an overseas TDfriend for months to see if he had it. Finally told me he didn't. Like 5 months later it was still there! (who else is gonna buy it? :) The funny thing is I saw TD albums there from time to time, but they were always gone after a few weeks or so. HHHMMMM. I also really liked Stuntman & certain stuff on that 'Orgy' thing ;) Actually, I was wondering, Since the solo stuff is kinda tricky to get :( Can anyone tell me for sure if any other of EF's solo CD's are similar to the above mentioned works? > Greg H. > > First Listen 4:15 PM 12/28/99 'Mars Polaris' & how was it? Touchdown or Crash & Burn ;) siberkat From: Gabe Yedid >Um, were those scientists actually there at the time? Did they witness > >the event personally? Who's to say that the Bethlehem Star wasn't real? > > > >Jared > > They said that it wasn't really a star, it was the brightness of the > planets one behind the other. Depends which astronomer you ask. Some say it was a planetary alignment, others an eclipse of Jupiter by our moon, still others think it may well have been a nova or supernova (in which case it would indeed have been a star). They all seem to agree, though, that all of these events should have taken place at least 4 years before what we call 1 A.D. Oh, well, they can't be 100% certain. It's > just calculations... Maybe there was indeed a bigger star that appeared > there and guided the 3 kings to Bethelehem... > > We in Brazil have a habit of calling Venus the 'Dalva star', because it's > the first 'star' that appears in the dusk sky. Sure, we know it here too, as the Evening Star. (But the Bethlehem Star was supposed to have been brighter still...) To get this back on topic...it's been covered by TD! (Right Jared?) End of story! ;-) Gabe NP: _TimeSquare_: Towards the Evening Star (Blue Gravity Mix) From: Gabe Yedid From: Gustavo Jobim > > >Gabe > >secure in the sense that this has been a good 5759 and not worrying about > >any kind of millenium issues since I won't live to see them anyway! > > You mean, 5760 (we are already in 5760 in the Jewish calendar, right?) Technically, I suppose so, since the Jewish New Year usually begins around what is September on the common calendar. But 5760 isn't over yet, so I can't say it's been a good one yet, can I? On the other hand, if we set computers according to Jewish time, just think about how much sooner the Y10K issue would have to be dealt with! Gabe From: 'Steven Le Vine' From: Gustavo Jobim > > GREAT! I mean, I've heard for years how it was a turning point or what not & I will agree on that. Is it me or are there a bunch of stuff used in other songs all through the CD? Or have I heard alot of tangetized versions? LOL Yes, I like the the start of Set 1, then it does not do much for me, a few minutes b4 the end of it I like that as well, but that is about it. I do not like Set 2 at all. Now I hope we all know by now that we each share the TD passion & I realize most of us like/LOVE this CD. I have listened to it for years & will tell you tonight is the most I have ever enjoyed it. My opinion may change some time down the road, but for right now: 2 on the Armin scale. Actually, you guys have gone on & on about this CD since I joined this list, I have been dreading this day :( But, IMHO it does not istill the passion that other TD CD's do. Hey, IS THIEF NEXT WEEK? IS THIEF NEXT WEEK? See, I am not that crazy! ;p siberkat Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20030 Re: D:Studio [Tangram] Gustavo Jobim Wed 12/29/1999 3 KB 20032 D:Studio [Tangram] Derk Wed 12/29/1999 3 KB 20034 Re: D:Studio [Tangram] Synthhtnys@xxx.xxx Wed 12/29/1999 2 KB 20037 Re: D:Studio [Tangram] Jared White Wed 12/29/1999 2 KB 20039 Re: D:Studio [Tangram] Steven Le Vine Wed 12/29/1999 1 KB 20044 D:Studio [Tangram] Quarlie@xxx.xxx Thu 12/30/1999 7 KB 20045 Re: D:Studio [Tangram] Oscar Dean Thu 12/30/1999 1 KB 20047 Re: D:Studio [Tangram] Synthhtnys@xxx.xxx Thu 12/30/1999 1 KB 20048 Re: D:Studio [Tangram] Synthhtnys@xxx.xxx Thu 12/30/1999 1 KB From: 'Jared White' From: Gabe Yedid > > > We in Brazil have a habit of calling Venus the 'Dalva star', because it's > > the first 'star' that appears in the dusk sky. > > Sure, we know it here too, as the Evening Star. > (But the Bethlehem Star was supposed to have been brighter still...) > > To get this back on topic...it's been covered by TD! > (Right Jared?) Wow, really, honest, and for true? ;) > NP: _TimeSquare_: Towards the Evening Star (Blue Gravity Mix) You know, as nice as that version is, it seems to lack the sheer power and sustained energy of the original on GC. But I know some people might like it better.... Cya l8r, Jared From: Gustavo Jobim > >If you want to be very picky about things, wouldn't the Christian calendar >> >have to start right about 1 second after whenever Jesus was delivered on >> >Dec. 25th, making it 1 B.C. and 1 A.D. on the same day? >> > >> >;-) ;-) ;-) >> >> That is a symbolic date. According to scientific researches, the >> brigthness of the Bethelehem Star probably was the brightness caused by >> a line-up of > > >gfj > > >Ohhh, Gustavo, didn't you notice the line of smileys?? >I can't believe you took it that seriously! > >Gabe Actually, I didn't notice... oh well, I was in a rush when I wrote that mail anyway. --- Gustavo F. Jobim gustavfj@m... gustavofj@h... From: Gustavo Jobim > You mean, 5760 (we are already in 5760 in the Jewish calendar, right?) > >Technically, I suppose so, since the Jewish New Year usually begins around >what is September on the common calendar. But 5760 isn't over yet, so I >can't say it's been a good one yet, can I? You can say it has been a good year, so far. Can't you? >On the other hand, if we set computers according to Jewish time, just >think about how much sooner the Y10K issue would have to be dealt with! > >Gabe Oh yeah! :) gfj --- Gustavo F. Jobim gustavfj@m... gustavofj@h... From: Gustavo Jobim You guys are gonna hate me. Because of this? No, I wouldn't. >I have been taking my time in saying this. I do not think TANGRAM is so > > >>From: Gustavo Jobim >> >> GREAT! Great again! :) >I mean, I've heard for years how it was a turning point or what not & I will >agree on that. Is it me or are there a bunch of stuff used in other songs >all through the CD? Or have I heard alot of tangetized versions? LOL Yeah. I have a very strong déjà vu feeling about Set 1. I don't know why, or where I heard this before, but it's a very strong feeling. >Yes, I like the the start of Set 1, then it does not do much for me, a few >minutes b4 the end of it I like that as well, but that is about it. I do >not like Set 2 at all. Tangram Set 1 never was a track that made strong influence in me, emotionally. That would be the case in a higher or lower scale, of Midnight in Tula, Cloudburst Flight, Force Majeure, Thru Metamorphic Rocks, the Alpha Centauri track, and others. The strength of Set 1 in my opinion is the melody and structure, probably never heard before in any TD album. The track develops beautifully, it flows like water, it doesn't ever tire you or make you sleep, the case of Zeit, Alpha Centauri and sometimes Thru Metamorphic Rocks (the sequence part). It has great surprises, like the surprises in Tubular Bells. 4:50 (listening now) Now, this part incredibly reminds me of something, I don't know what. I have a very, very strong déjà vu feeling. Maybe it was used as soundtrack for some Brazilian TV show, I don't know. No one in my family never listened to TD before me (Am I late in TD or what?) I guess that's why I like this track so much. The only problem I see here is the very low part after the first part, in which the piano slowly develops into the beautiful main theme. I always have to turn up the volume. I guess the TD CD that truly moves me is still Force Majeure. (Tangram main theme playing) Oh, that's so nice! And this sequence... Did I hear this before somewhere else? It's a good sequence, anyway. Like footsteps. Then a bridge and other sequence with piano, very good too. Later, there are some very classic chords (14:38). >Now I hope we all know by now that we each share the TD passion & I realize >most of us like/LOVE this CD. I have listened to it for years & will tell >you tonight is the most I have ever enjoyed it. My opinion may change some >time down the road, but for right now: > >2 on the Armin scale. > >siberkat --- Gustavo F. Jobim gustavfj@m... gustavofj@h... From: Vic Rek From: Derk Date: Wed Dec 29, 1999 11:41 am Subject: D:Studio [Tangram] I've found that Tangram makes for an excellent album to get non-believers into Tangerine Dream. Over the last six months I've already given away three copies as birthday presents, and in all three cases the album was much appreciated. One of the 'subjects' is even now on his way to becoming a die hard fan! On to the album. One word I've always associated with Set 1 is 'happy'. Especially the first five minutes must be some of the most happy music TD has ever composed. This of course is largely due to the lively flute. Another word that describes the structure of Set 1 as a whole is 'cohesiveness'. For all its 20 minutes, this track just never rambles on. There is so much going on!. Especially in the first ten minutes one sequence or melody never lasts for more than a minute. This concept of weaving lots of short songs together through musical bridges was already somewhat explored in Force Majeure (the track) but it is perfected here. Is this where Johannes Schmoelling proved his worth? I think it's his classical training shining through here. My favourite piece of Tangram starts around the 12th minute, first with that glowingly warm synth, followed by the best TD sequence ever. So simple, yet so effective. The word that characterizes Set 1 for me is 'industrial'. The sequencer work causes this feeling for a large part, but also various sound effects througout the track create a feeling as if Set 2 was recorded in a production plant, with the mikes full open, thus capturing the noises that the conveyor belts and automated assembly machines made. I think Set 2 is less cohesive than Set 1 and also far less melodic. There's lots of hints to TD's early musical history where atmosphere was more important than melody. Set 2 has great individual parts but it doesn't flow as well as Set 1 and is therefore a little less a favourite of mine than Set 1 is. Tangram is far and away my favourite TD (and EM) album. When listening to other greats from this period (Logos and Poland for instance) I sometimes waver in my faith but one listen to this great album is enough to get me back into the fold: Tangram has no equal. Derk Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20034 Re: D:Studio [Tangram] Synthhtnys@xxx.xxx Wed 12/29/1999 2 KB 20037 Re: D:Studio [Tangram] Jared White Wed 12/29/1999 2 KB 20039 Re: D:Studio [Tangram] Steven Le Vine Wed 12/29/1999 1 KB 20044 D:Studio [Tangram] Quarlie@xxx.xxx Thu 12/30/1999 7 KB 20045 Re: D:Studio [Tangram] Oscar Dean Thu 12/30/1999 1 KB 20047 Re: D:Studio [Tangram] Synthhtnys@xxx.xxx Thu 12/30/1999 1 KB 20048 Re: D:Studio [Tangram] Synthhtnys@xxx.xxx Thu 12/30/1999 1 KB 20051 Re: D:Studio [Tangram] TJames0001@xxx.xxx Thu 12/30/1999 1 KB 20052 Re: D:Studio [Tangram] Patrik . Thu 12/30/1999 2 KB From: Flemming Larsen From: Synthhtnys@xxx.xxx Date: Wed Dec 29, 1999 12:44 pm Subject: Re: D:Studio [Tangram] From: Derk I've found that Tangram makes for an excellent album to get non-believers into Tangerine Dream. * I have too, and that without the later pop forms and drum machines... On to the album. One word I've always associated with Set 1 is 'happy'. Especially the first five minutes must be some of the most happy music TD has ever composed. This of course is largely due to the lively flute. * And the relatively recent addition in TD music of (TA DA!) The major scale... Another word that describes the structure of Set 1 as a whole is 'cohesiveness'. For all its 20 minutes, this track just never rambles on. There is so much going on!. Especially in the first ten minutes one sequence or melody never lasts for more than a minute. This concept of weaving lots of short songs together through musical bridges was already somewhat explored in Force Majeure (the track) but it is perfected here. Is this where Johannes Schmoelling proved his worth? I think it's his classical training shining through here. * I agree, I think this shows traces of a Baroque aesthetic... The counterpoint reminds me of Bach. My favourite piece of Tangram starts around the 12th minute, first with that glowingly warm synth, followed by the best TD sequence ever. So simple, yet so effective. * This is also my favorite section. Tangram is far and away my favourite TD (and EM) album. When listening to other greats from this period (Logos and Poland for instance) I sometimes waver in my faith but one listen to this great album is enough to get me back into the fold: Tangram has no equal. * I agree, though IMHO I would say it has no equal in the Schmoelling era... Poly From: 'Michael A Jean' From: Vincent Goudreault Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 12:13:14 -0500 > From: 'twosheds' > Subject: Re: OT: 01-01-00 is *not* the Millennium! > (...) About > 25 years ago, scholars studying the life of Christ determined that the early > church had miscalculated the year of his birth and that he actually was born > about 4 B.C. by today's calendar (I think they used the information about > the star that guided the three wise men). So, for all those who think (...) Actually, since there are a number of potential astronomical events that occured circa 4BC, and no one knows which one to pick, (plus the fact that the 3 wise guys is most likely a whole lot of baloney anyway, that story haven been written in the bible about a century after the fact...), the scolars that determined the most likely date for the birth of Jesus are basing that on who were the rulers at that time. Of course, there is even questions as what the birthplace would be, since Bethleem was written in some prophecies, and Jesus followers would be inclined to 'correct' his birth place from Nazareth to Bethleem to fit the text in question; this would also make suspect the coincidence of the birth of Jesus with the census that was called at that time. There was a very nicely done documentary on Radio-Canada (the french branch of the CBC) just one week ago. They spent about 30 minutes of the 2 hours show talking about the life and time of Jesus (the rest was about the evolution of christianity from that point on till now), and it is just amazing the number of scholars (from within the Catholic church!) that state that a lot of the stuff in the bible and in the gospel is just pure fantasy. But that is way above my head, since I am an atheist (thank God for that!) > > Scott > On a different subject, I received the 'Millenium Booster' last week, and gave a listen to _Great Wall_. Is it me, or is the music sort of 'generic' and forgettable? I only gave one listen, as background music while reading the paper, and was not taken back once, like what happens when I put on Ricochet (still effective after what must have been several hundred play). What are other 'good boys' on this list (since this is how TDI is viewing us for not having complained too loudly about the price, which was huge, but I can afford it since TD is my ONLY vice) feel about _Great Wall_? Does it grow on you after a while, or should I rely on 'Red Shift' to supply me with my dose of good stuff? C.B.V. Goudreault autonomously breathing since 11:50 AM EST February 17 1957 online 'tadream' since early 1993, TD fan since 1977 first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20038 Re: Digest Number 339 Jared White Wed 12/29/1999 1 KB From: 'Jared White' From: Synthhtnys@a... > > From: Derk > > I've found that Tangram makes for an excellent album to get non-believers > into Tangerine Dream. > > * I have too, and that without the later pop forms and drum machines... Blah blah blah.... > On to the album. One word I've always associated with Set 1 is 'happy'. > Especially the first five minutes must be some of the most happy music TD > has ever composed. This of course is largely due to the lively flute. > > * And the relatively recent addition in TD music of (TA DA!) The major > scale... Uh, what? There's no major scale introduced until the march-like bridge to Edgar's guitar solo part -- both of which are after the lively flute part that begins the set. > Tangram is far and away my favourite TD (and EM) album. When listening to > other greats from this period (Logos and Poland for instance) I sometimes > waver in my faith but one listen to this great album is enough to get me > back into the fold: Tangram has no equal. > > * I agree, though IMHO I would say it has no equal in the Schmoelling era... I'd agree with you there. I wouldn't say Tangram is their best album, but it's king of the Schmoelling era.... Jared From: 'Jared White' From: Vincent Goudreault > But that is way above my head, since I am an atheist (thank God > for that!) And I am a Christian (thank Nietzsche for that!) Jared From: 'Steven Le Vine' From: Gustavo Jobim > >>You guys are gonna hate me. > > Because of this? No, I wouldn't. I know you would not Gustavo. But people can react 'passionately' to there 'love' :) You are a nice guy, your TD innocense has brought back fond memories of once in a lifetime experiences. Like whem FM 'clicks'. Just think, you have years & years to let FM influence your life. It has certainly influenced mine. > I guess the TD CD that truly moves me is still Force Majeure. See? Have A Happy, siberkat From: 'Greg' From: 'Steven Le Vine' > > > From: 'Greg' > > First Listen 4:15 PM 12/28/99 'Mars Polaris' > > & how was it? Touchdown or Crash & Burn ;) > > siberkat I'm going through rough times.. the one I love dosn't want to be with me any longer, and the importance of her and the memories.. I hold and run through my mind and this music I got yesterday, the day after my loss is now a resolution to a lot of pain.. along with Shy People, Spiral Star Date is something I'm really mentally attaching to. The way the percussion drags.. as if held back from weight of anguish .. the simple melody like a cry from something deep you would keep to yourself. The perserverance of continuance.. the repetition and the calling of trying again and again to find one-self in the same spot with the same cry, but hurt deeper. Greg H. From: Gabe Yedid From: jupe From: Grant M Somerville From: Quarlie@xxx.xxx Date: Thu Dec 30, 1999 3:20 am Subject: D:Studio [Tangram] A significant change from the last album I reviewed (which was 'Force Majeure'; I don't have 'Pergamon'), this one marks the first studio appearance of Johannes Schmoelling, unless I've forgotten something. Bit ironic that the 'definitive edition' would misidentify him. --- 1. Tangram (set one) Unlike 'Force Majeure,' this begins by jumping right into the melody, a rather attractive sequence with a vaguely flutelike sound. If flutes could be plucked they might sound like this. The backing is minimal; most notable are a few occasional bass notes and some synthesized chimes. After just over a minute of this, the sequence changes, and a dreamlike atmosphere starts to build up, with what may be a strummed guitar, and some choirish synths. Things intensify at about 3:30 (a new dual sequence has developed by now), with keyboard chords and synth-horns. At about 4:30 there's a whoosh, and drums (synthesized) appear for the first time. Then the track suddenly turns into... well, to me it sounds like a fife-and-drum march from the American Revolution. This is rather bizarre but only lasts for 15 seconds, after which we return to the present (or to 1980 at least). The drums have left, but the music continues to be rather anthemic, with a stirring bassline and a keyboard solo of some sort. Edgar's guitar appears a few seconds before 6:00, playing a melody that generally resembles the one played previously by the keyboard. I know I just used the word 'anthemic,' but I have to invoke it again here. After the guitar solo, a couple of keyboards play around on the same kind of theme, and we get to hear some of the 'bzzeowww' effects that would show up in so many early-'80s TD pieces. At about 7:30, the Anthemic(tm) section breaks down (with an extra long bzzeowww), ushering in more of those synth-chimes, and a beautiful piano solo. I assume this is Johannes. Things get livelier at about 9:15, as Edgar strums some broken chords, and a keyboard plays what I recognize as the melody from the 'Pergamon' excerpt on 'Tangents.' This too breaks down around 10:30. Footsteps approach, along with some rhythmic clicking sounds. There's a sort of ambient section, with some stringlike synths, and then, around 13:00, the most intense part of the track begins. There's a driving bass sequence, accompanied by another tense sequence, and a bit of guitar. Something's clearly about to happen. There's more bzzeowwwing (not that I'm complaining; I like the effect), and a sort of heraldic synth-horn line, as the track begins to morph into something upbeat. There's an arpeggio organ effect that sounds really cool, with a short, playful keyboard line that sort of goes 'woo!' This is my favorite part of the track. Unfortunately, it's over a bit too soon. A more laid-back version of that Pergamon-excerpt melody returns at 17:50 or so, and this closes the track. --- 2. Tangram (set two) The second 'set' begins with some synth-strings. Something else finally happens around 2:00; it's another flute part. It doesn't hang around too long. A faint ticking sound begins just past 3:15. Soon, a synth-horn and strummed guitar chords lead up to another great sequence. I think this might be the best sequence on the album. Drums show up somewhere along the line, and things continue in this vein for a little while. Slightly strange things start happening to the sequence at roughly 5:15, and weird sound effects (an eerie choir, some murmured voices, and an unidentifiable scratching sound) play over the sequence. The moment, almost exactly at 6:00, where a second sequence appears and harmonizes with the first one, just may be my favorite thing on this album. It's one of those 'magic moments' (not the Burt Bacharach song) that makes it clear to me why I love Tangerine Dream. There's a short break, wherein this new sequence gets the spotlight for a little while, and then the action resumes, but now with dramatic keyboard chords. At 6:55, Chris' synthesized non-guitar (I can't remember what instrument this actually is, but it was mentioned recently on the list) begins a solo. It's pretty cool, though not quite as good as the real thing. There's a neat sound effect at 8:13. Kind of like an abbreviated thunderclap. Starting at 9:45 we hear a floating Mellotron choir that sounds like it could have been used in 'Rubycon.' Nice touch. Another section starts around 10:30, with more of the synth-strings, and a sort of heard-through-a-metal-tube effect (sorry, that's the best description I can come up with). Wow. Some beautiful floating ambience suddenly begins at 11:24. I tend to associate this kind of thing more with the mid-'70s than the early '80s. But, it only lasts about 20 seconds. After a bit of weird noise, a sequence solidifies and keyboards join in. A slightly more complex sequence overtakes the previous one at about 12:55. Eventually, things quiet down and all that remains of the sequence is a single note repeating in time with the beat. After a while, a new beat (a faint thump-thump-thump-thump) emerges. Further ambience develops, with a slightly silly feel. There's a robotic-sounding filtered voice at 16:24. I can't tell what it's saying, but--please forgive me for this--it reminds me of the voice that says 'KLF Communications!' in the KLF's 'Last Train to Trancentral.' There's also some sampled laughter (I think; it might be some animal). That Mellotron choir sound resumes at 17:30 or so. A more 'normal' melody starts just over a minute later. It reminds me of something, but I'm not sure what. 'Rarebird,' maybe. The music winds down, and another musical journey comes to an end. --- Seems like lots of people find this to be TD's best album. I personally don't think it's quite good enough to earn that title, but it is very impressive. Choosing which set I prefer is very difficult. The first one has a solid guitar solo and some nice bzzeowwwing, and is rather Anthemic(tm), while the second one is more varied and intense, and has that great moment at 6:00. I guess I would choose set two, by a smallish margin. In any event, it's another must-have, like all the Virgin albums. --Daniel (Quarlie) NP: Project Pitchfork--Eon:Eon Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20045 Re: D:Studio [Tangram] Oscar Dean Thu 12/30/1999 1 KB 20047 Re: D:Studio [Tangram] Synthhtnys@xxx.xxx Thu 12/30/1999 1 KB 20048 Re: D:Studio [Tangram] Synthhtnys@xxx.xxx Thu 12/30/1999 1 KB 20051 Re: D:Studio [Tangram] TJames0001@xxx.xxx Thu 12/30/1999 1 KB 20052 Re: D:Studio [Tangram] Patrik . Thu 12/30/1999 2 KB 20058 Re: D:Studio [Tangram] Jared White Thu 12/30/1999 1 KB 20059 Re: D:Studio [Tangram] Jared White Thu 12/30/1999 1 KB 20085 Re: D:Studio [Tangram] Synthhtnys@xxx.xxx Fri 12/31/1999 1 KB 20089 Re: D:Studio [Tangram] Jared White Fri 12/31/1999 2 KB From: Oscar Dean From: 'Thomas' From: Synthhtnys@xxx.xxx Date: Thu Dec 30, 1999 8:24 am Subject: Re: D:Studio [Tangram] In a message dated 12/30/1999 3:20:56 AM !!!First Boot!!!, Quarlie@a... writes: << The first one has a solid guitar solo and some nice bzzeowwwing, >> *In case you are interested, the bzzeowwwwwing effect is called a filter sweep... Poly From: Synthhtnys@xxx.xxx Date: Thu Dec 30, 1999 8:33 am Subject: Re: D:Studio [Tangram] In a message dated 12/29/1999 5:43:25 PM !!!First Boot!!!, jwhite@s... writes: << > * I have too, and that without the later pop forms and drum machines... Blah blah blah.... *Meaning? > > * And the relatively recent addition in TD music of (TA DA!) The major > scale... Uh, what? There's no major scale introduced until the march-like bridge to Edgar's guitar solo part -- both of which are after the lively flute part that begins the set. * No, I'm talking about how up until Force Majeure just about everything they did was in a minor key. Poly From: Mario Pacheco From: Mario Pacheco From: TJames0001@xxx.xxx Date: Thu Dec 30, 1999 10:02 am Subject: Re: D:Studio [Tangram] Yes, I have felt the same, very similar. From: 'Patrik .' instrument this actually is, but it was mentioned recently on the list) >begins It´s the Oberheim OBY-ONE driven through a couple of Electro-Harmonix Big Muff fuzz-boxes...(yeah..man!) ...That Mellotron choir sound resumes at 17:30 or so. Correct me if I´m wrong but this was the last time we could hear Edgar playing the Mellotron? That´s what I call the end of the Mellotron-era! There are also interesting parts of vocoder-effects and laughter somehow taped, because as far as I know the sampler wasn´t invented in late 1979 early 1980? Or was it?? As I wrote earlier...I could go on forever with Tangram! Best regards Patrik, Stockholm, Sweden From: 'twosheds' From: AslanFan1@xxx.xxx Date: Thu Dec 30, 1999 3:09 pm Subject: Tangram There's been a lot already said about Tangram, so here's a very subjective opinion. Tangram is the perfect electronic recording. IT spans the emotions and ranges, its warm and human yet futuristic and disciplined. This is one of the only CDs I can ever remember trying not to listen to TOO much at a time because I feared its effect would wear off on me if I got too used to it. It's an amazing cd. If you're on the fence, you must get it. nuff said. From: 'Michael A Jean' -----Original Message----- > From: Mario Pacheco [mailto:mapachecol@y...] > Sent: Thursday, December 30, 1999 4:02 AM > To: tangerinedream@o... > Cc: tadream@o... > Subject: [tadream] OT: looking for Wouter Bessels. > > > From: Mario Pacheco > > > > Anybody can send me the email of Wouter Bessels? The > one I have intxxx@x... doesnot work. > > Thanks in advance. > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://messenger.yahoo.com > > > Please practice listserv etiquette. To unsubscribe, e-mail > tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://tadream.copfer.com > > What are Chris Franke and Paul Haslinger up to these days? Find > out at http://www.haslinger.com and http://www.sonicimages.com/cf/! > From: 'Michael A Jean' -----Original Message----- > From: twosheds [mailto:twosheds@g...] > Sent: Thursday, December 30, 1999 7:50 AM > To: tadream@o... > Subject: [tadream] Ed going to school? > > > From: 'twosheds' > > A friend of mine told me a friend of his read on TD's web site that Ed is > going to the Vienna conservatory to study music. I wasn't able to > find this > info anywhere. Has anyone heard anything about this? Sounds like BS to me. > > Scott > > > Please practice listserv etiquette. To unsubscribe, e-mail > tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://tadream.copfer.com > > What are Chris Franke and Paul Haslinger up to these days? Find > out at http://www.haslinger.com and http://www.sonicimages.com/cf/! > From: Olle.Rundgren@xxx.xx Date: Thu Dec 30, 1999 4:25 pm Subject: D: Studio [Tangram] If one has to name the best TD album, then this is the one. It is also the last, or dare I say latest, of the great masterpieces. Tangram appeared as something brand new, yet familiar, after a period of transition that gave us Cyclone and Force Majeure. When I first listened to Tangram I was confused and didn't know what to think. There is a new landscape of sounds here, digital yes, new equipment yes but it is also different in the sense that it is so bright and positive. One of the things that attracted me so much to the music created during the Froese-Francke-Baumann era was the dark, mellow, melancholic sound. It was so beautiful and a great inspiration for dreams, or for that matter unbeatable as background music to a horror novel, Lovecraft style. Now Tangram has a different sound altogether. A lot more positive, not at all dark but still the music is stunningly beautiful. Melodic, atmospheric and incredibly rich. Somebody here said something about the flow in the music, how well the pieces fit together, especially in set 1, and I fully agree. It is a 5 + for variation and ideas and the same goes for ambience. This is the album I had been waiting for since Encore, even though it took me a while to realize it. I would like to go on, but lack the time and inspiration to do it just now. There has already been a lot of reviews on this important album and many of You are doing it a lot better than I so let me just say that Tangram seems to be the one album that manage to attract fans of recent TD as well as the old timers. That says something about the importance of this album. It is only too bad that this is the one and only example where the Froese-Francke-Schmoelling setting proved they mastered the long track format. This line-up had their forte in shorter tracks with clearly defined melodies. Many times a lot too much of the sing-along, or rather hum-along, type for my taste. By the time Francke left the group I had already lost interest in the group, an interest only to be recovered a couple of years ago. With that I wish You all a happy new year, or Gott Nytt År as we say in this part of the world. /Olle (May the next year bring us a new TD limited edition surprise package. This time including shirt and tie for those of us who have cut the long hair short and now want to look like smart businessmen.) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20064 Re: D: Studio [Tangram] Grant M Somerville Thu 12/30/1999 1 KB From: 'Jared White' From: Synthhtnys@a... > > In a message dated 12/29/1999 5:43:25 PM !!!First Boot!!!, jwhite@s... > writes: > > << > * I have too, and that without the later pop forms and drum machines... > > Blah blah blah.... > > *Meaning? Meaning same tired old snide remarks. Like Tangram doesn't include pop forms. What a joke. Jared From: Jared White From: 'Patrik .' > Correct me if I´m wrong but this was the last time we could > hear Edgar > playing the Mellotron? That´s what I call the end of the > Mellotron-era! Well, I'm listening to White Eagle right now, and I'm sure I just heard a Mellotron choir at the end of Convention of the 24. Go take a listen and see if I'm right or not. :) Jared From: pergamon@xxxxxxx.xx Date: Thu Dec 30, 1999 7:48 pm Subject: TD CD's Hey, just wanted to share a little experience I had yesterday. My brother who is also a TD-fan, went to a second hand CD shop here in Copenhagen and there he found a collection of 100 TD CD's and 200 other emusicCD's. It turns out that a german guy, had sold it all, he was tired of TD. I can't believe what made him grow tired of TD, but hey!!! it's good for my brother and me. The collection consisted mostly of studio-recording, but there were several bootlegs. 2 of them only made in 500 copies. Most of them were from the 70', and some from the 80'. Amongst the other CD's there were several with Klaus Schultze, Rainer Bloss, Braheny, Gandalf etc etc. The reason why I am so stunned by this experience, is because most of the time it is VERY difficult, to get hold of TD, here in Copenhagen. If anyone has any CD-R material from TD, I would be interested Well enjoy the new year, and may the following years bring A LOT of new material from TD. Jan From: Flemming Larsen One thing I notice as a pattern (based on your descriptions): despite the >introduction of new, experimental sounds, it seems like TD is using these >as brackets for more conventional pieces that are otherwise not too >different in feel or structure from much of their previous efforts Yes. The style from MP, Transsiberia, WaB is carried forward. GWoC misses a track like Comet's Figure Head from Mars Polaris, which more or less saved that album. IMHO of course. However, GWoC is a soundtrack and that shouldn't be forgotten when you listen to it. As such, I find it one of the best TD has made. >I have a feeling that what most of us would like to see more is to have >these new sounds serve as the actual basis for the pieces, not just as >intro/ending material. C'mon, I have to be right here...;) Sure, but you're far from getting your wish come through. GWoC doesn't hail new forthcomming Tangrams or Force Majeure's. ;-) --------------------------------------------------------------- Life is a ride, like days on a train. Cities rush by, like ghosts in the night. The rythm of wheels tired fades away. Stations and journey, destination unknow. --Yello-- __ \ O /_ Flemming Larsen, fglarsen@p... \/ /_ \ http:// (soon I hope) \ Tangerine Dream, Klaus Schulze, Mike Oldfield --------------------------------------------------------------- From: 'Marcel Engels' From: Grant M Somerville From: jupe > > Happy New Year . > > Click ¡¡¡¡¡ > http://members.xoom.com/tdfans/jupe2000.mpg > > Best Regards , > > Jupe > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------ > > Feliz Año Nuevo . > > Click ¡¡¡ > http://members.xoom.com/tdfans/jupe2000.mpg > > Un fuerte abrazo, > > Jupe > Hi Jupe, Your a top man : ) Cheers!! -- Kind Regards, Grant. Grant M Somerville Glasgow, Scotland. Looking for Live Music Recordings...try http://freespace.virgin.net/grant.somerville/2index.html SOUNDCHECK From: Grant M Somerville From: Olle.Rundgren@s... > > > > (May the next year bring us a new TD limited edition surprise package. This > time including shirt and tie for those of us who have cut the long hair > short and now want to look like smart businessmen.) > > LOL...Know exactly what you mean : ) -- Kind Regards, Grant. Grant M Somerville Glasgow, Scotland. Looking for Live Music Recordings...try http://freespace.virgin.net/grant.somerville/2index.html SOUNDCHECK From: Vic Rek From: pergamon@g... > Here is a little impression of EF's 'Epsilon in malaysian pale'> > CONSCIOUSNESS > > The music begins, it starts out with a delicate tingle of sounds > representing the beginning of summer. Nature is ALIVE, and has sprung > out. Mother Earth sends ripples through the air, tingling with life. > A long sequnce of morther nature representing herselfs complexcity, > of sounds, life, strength, power etc., stunnes me as I become aware > of the energy surrounding me. The tension builds up, I can feel life > surge through my body. suddenly I find myself floating as the rythmic > sequencers begins to play with each other. Playing ever so carefully with > each other, trying not to disturb one another. Plains, fields, forests > and mountains passes by beneath me. The air is clean, it gives me > strength and clears my mind, and I become aware of life. The joy of just > being, ripples through me. I slow down, enjoy the view and feels the > energy surrounding me. I feel alive. My mind is almost exploding in joy. > The sequencers intencify and I can feel life pounding in my breast. I halt > my motion, and for a long time I just am. Nothing can disturb me, nothing > can hurt me, I am only aware of being. The music slows down, I am becoming > more relaxed. Suddenly the music becomes more dark, and I become aware of > the powers of nature. A sudden storm take hold of me and throw me around. > A lightning flashes and rain starts pouring down. I find myself awed by the > fierce power of nature. As the storm gets hold of me and throws me around, > I can feel the danger and my own mortality, but again it makes me feel > alive. I draw from the powers of nature and regain control of my flight. > The storm passes and the clouds dissappear. The sun warms my body, and again > I can feel the joy tingling inside of me. Here the sequencers starts their > beautiful play with one another again. My mind explodes with joy and > happiness, and I find myself a part of nature and life. Nature is me and I > am nature. I am life and life is me. I can't get enough and I am in exstacy. > I can hear the tone of life and I follow it's beautiful dance. The sequencers > grab hold of me and let's me ride on it's wave. I am one with the wave. after > some time, the wave becomes more relaxed and beautiful strings fills me with > energy. My mind is relaxed , but I am filled with energy, that only waits to > be used. The music stoppes, but I am happy and ready to take on the world. > > Well, just though I would share that feeling with you. > > Also I would like to know your favorite TD bandmembers or former bandmembers > solo-album???????? > > Happy Christmas and a merry new year :-) > > Namaste > Jan Aunsholt Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20100 Re: Impression of EIMP Greg Fri 12/31/1999 2 KB From: electriccafe@xxxxx.xxx Date: Fri Dec 31, 1999 12:32 am Subject: Great Wall of China You're right Gabe, TD simply put in some new sounds at the beginning and end of the tracks, and then Mr. Korg takes over for some more of the same old tired sounds TD has been using for the majority of the '90s. I think it's time for a big change in gear! And before anyone says it isn't the gear that matters, remember TD in the '70s and '80s had new gear for almost every album, gotta keep it fresh or it all sounds the same. Don't get me wrong GWOC is a good album, but it's typical '90s TD. Ash Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20072 Re: Great Wall of China Jared White Fri 12/31/1999 1 KB 20151 Great Wall of China Jim Moore Tue 1/4/2000 1 KB 20155 Re: Great Wall of China Gabe Yedid Wed 1/5/2000 1 KB 20222 Great Wall of China kupczyk@p... Sun 1/9/2000 1 KB 20226 Re: Great Wall of China Vic Rek Sun 1/9/2000 1 KB 20309 Re: Great Wall of China Gabe Yedid Fri 1/14/2000 3 KB 20319 Re: Great Wall of China Gustavo Jobim Fri 1/14/2000 2 KB 20322 Re: Great Wall of China joe shoults Fri 1/14/2000 2 KB 21194 Great Wall of China izyrp@o... Sat 3/11/2000 2 KB From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Fri Dec 31, 1999 12:27 am Subject: Mellotron in Convention >Well, I'm listening to White Eagle right now, and I'm sure I just heard >a Mellotron choir at the end of Convention of the 24. Go take a listen >and see if I'm right or not. :) > >Jared Yeah, it looks like mellotron. --- Gustavo F. Jobim gustavfj@m... gustavofj@h... From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Fri Dec 31, 1999 12:20 am Subject: Evening Star Hi there Just heard Towards the Evening Star, someone published as Christmas gift. I liked vrymuch! Still didn't get the remix. Thanks! gfj --- Gustavo F. Jobim gustavfj@m... gustavofj@h... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20071 Re: Evening Star Jared White Fri 12/31/1999 2 KB 20073 Re: Evening Star Quarlie@xxx.xxx Fri 12/31/1999 1 KB 20075 Re: Evening Star Jared White Fri 12/31/1999 1 KB 20076 Re: Evening Star Gustavo Jobim Fri 12/31/1999 1 KB 20082 Re: Evening Star Quarlie@xxx.xxx Fri 12/31/1999 1 KB 20083 Re: Evening Star tadream Fri 12/31/1999 1 KB From: Steven Feldman Date: Fri Dec 31, 1999 12:37 am Subject: EPSILON IN MALAYSIAN PALE and Other Faves EPSILON IN MALAYSIAN PALE is my all-time fave electronic music album. EVENING REPOSE by The Nightcrawlers comes second. 'Evolution' by Giorgio Moroder is my all-time fave electronic music track (it clocks in at 15:13, is all-instrumental, from 1978, and has a relentless disco beat -- by a real drummer!). There are those who think Moroder is great because of his soundtrack work, but I disagree most vehemently: his disco work is much better than the dreck he did for soundtracks -- MIDNIGHT EXPRESS notwithstanding. Moroder and Kraftwerk are the Godfathers of Eurodisco. Note that Kraftwerk never did any soundtracks. ;) (Does 'Tour de France' count as a soundtrack???) Steve Feldman (Me) -- 33 Brook Street; Brookline, MA 02445; 617-232-3876; . Robert Carty -- 5478 S. 235 E. #E; Murray, UT 84107; 801-281-2157; http://www.california.com/~eameece/carty.htm. Peter Gulch/ Nightcrawlers -- 1493 Greenwood Ave.; Camden, NJ 08103; ; http://www.voicenet.com/~pgulch/special.html. MAJOR E-MUSIC FAVES: Tangerine Dream, Nightcrawlers, Robert Carty, Moroder -- *not* Kraftwerk! +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | TD DISCOGRAPHY http://members.spree.com/molasar/tadream/tadream2.html | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Sean Montgomery Date: Fri Dec 31, 1999 1:08 am Subject: Kraftwerk 2 - Electric Boogaloo > Note that Kraftwerk never did any soundtracks. ;) (Does 'Tour de > France' count as a soundtrack???) Although it wasn't composed *for* the movie, Tour de France was used in the break dance epic 'Breakin' back in 1984. SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20099 Re: Kraftwerk 2 - Electric Boogaloo PENFOLD Fri 12/31/1999 1 KB 20202 Re: Kraftwerk 2 - Electric Boogaloo John Mcintyre Fri 1/7/2000 1 KB 20205 Re: Kraftwerk 2 - Electric Boogaloo Gustavo Jobim Fri 1/7/2000 1 KB From: Jared White Date: Fri Dec 31, 1999 1:32 am Subject: RE: Evening Star > From: Gustavo Jobim > > Hi there > > Just heard Towards the Evening Star, someone published as > Christmas gift. > > I liked vrymuch! Great, that track's a good example of the more Jerome influenced tracks of the mid-90's. I got Goblin's Club (the album it's on) early on in my TD experience, and Towards the Evening Star remains one of my favorite TD pieces of all time. > Still didn't get the remix. Which one? The 'Blue Gravity' mix on Dream Mixes II? Take care, Jared __________________________________________ Jared White E-mail: jwhite@g... GaelDesign: http://www.gaeldesign.com The Digital Fine Art Gallery: http://www.gaeldesign.com/gallery Distant Oaks (Celtic Music Ensemble): http://www.distantoaks.com Personal Site: http://www.sonic.net/~jwhite Try BeOS Today! http://www.be.com From: Jared White From: electriccafe@w... > > You're right Gabe, TD simply put in some new sounds at the > beginning and end of the tracks, and then Mr. Korg takes > over for some more of the same old tired sounds TD has been > using for the majority of the '90s. Like what for example? > I think it's time for > a big change in gear! Can you spell: GIGASAMPLER ? > And before anyone says it isn't the > gear that matters, remember TD in the '70s and '80s had new > gear for almost every album, gotta keep it fresh or it all > sounds the same. Don't get me wrong GWOC is a good album, > but it's typical '90s TD. Ash Typical 90's TD? What's that? Rockoon? Dream Mixes? Turn of the Tides? Oasis? Mars Polaris? Ha! Jared From: Quarlie@xxx.xxx Date: Fri Dec 31, 1999 3:13 am Subject: Re: Evening Star In a message dated 12/30/99 8:33:27 PM, Jared White wrote: >> Still didn't get the remix. > >Which one? The 'Blue Gravity' mix on Dream Mixes II? I bet he means the Orb's remix that Adam Szymanek posted at the same site as the original version. It's not so much a remix as a mostly unrelated Orb track that happens to contain a sample of the beat from TTES, but that's the Orb for you. (Since I like the Orb, I enjoyed it anyway, but it would have been nice if they had kept more of the original.) BTW, thanks to Adam for posting that--now I don't have to seek out the single on eBay. --Daniel (Quarlie) NP: the Very Best of the Human League From: 'Steven Le Vine' From: Jared White From: Quarlie@a... > > In a message dated 12/30/99 8:33:27 PM, Jared White > wrote: > > >> Still didn't get the remix. > > > >Which one? The 'Blue Gravity' mix on Dream Mixes II? > > I bet he means the Orb's remix that Adam Szymanek posted at > the same site as > the original version. Oh year, I've heard about that. So someone posted it on a Web site? Where's the URL -- I'm anxious to hear it! Thanks, Jared From: Gustavo Jobim > Still didn't get the remix. > >Which one? The 'Blue Gravity' mix on Dream Mixes II? > >Take care, > >Jared The one that is on the same page. Let me see in the getright download list. It's by The Orb. --- Gustavo F. Jobim gustavfj@m... gustavofj@h... From: 'Thomas' From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Fri Dec 31, 1999 6:27 am Subject: Epsilon, the expensivo album Hi there! Just seen Epsilon in Malaysian Pale, international edition vinyl album with the huge Jerome photo inside, 'mint' conditions, for 30 reais (that is, Brazilian currency.) This is equivalent to about 16, 17 dollars. Oh I wish I had that money right now. Expensivo!!!! Isn't it? By the way, have this album ever been released in CD version? --- Gustavo F. Jobim gustavfj@m... gustavofj@h... From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Fri Dec 31, 1999 6:29 am Subject: Aqua Ahn, could you give me some details on Aqua by Froese? All I know is that it's his first solo album, Chris did something in this album, and it's from the Phaedra time. --- Gustavo F. Jobim gustavfj@m... gustavofj@h... From: 'Thomas' Date: Fri Dec 31, 1999 6:31 am Subject: SV: Epsilon, the expensivo album Hi Gustavo! 16-17 dollars for Epsilon is rather expensive, but in 'mint' condition it is still almost fair. It has been released on CD, but in a rather small series on the UK Virgin label, as Virgin VD2040 if I remember correctly. It can be hard to find, but the LP you run into every now and then. Thomas Helsingborg, Sweden > From: Gustavo Jobim > > Hi there! > > Just seen Epsilon in Malaysian Pale, international edition vinyl album with > the huge Jerome photo inside, 'mint' conditions, for 30 reais (that is, > Brazilian currency.) This is equivalent to about 16, 17 dollars. Oh I wish > I had that money right now. > > Expensivo!!!! Isn't it? > > By the way, have this album ever been released in CD version? > > --- > Gustavo F. Jobim > gustavfj@m... > gustavofj@h... From: 'Thomas' Date: Fri Dec 31, 1999 6:36 am Subject: Best TD experience Hey all! I don't know if this has been covered before, but I would like to know what you, the members of tadream@o..., think is the best TD experience you had. We often talk about the best track, best album, best sound and of course some excellent reviews in the weekly topics. It would be interesting to see how our favourite group affects us mentally too. My best experience was about a year and a half ago. It was a typical Swedish summer day, about 22-24*C in the shadow, very comfortable, and I had just spent the day at the beach. Me and my best friend thought we had to get away from civilisation for a while and drove off to a nearby forest area. I brought my MiniDisc Walkman along just in case, and a few random discs to make sure I had something to listen to. I was rather tired and wanted to relax, so I sat myself down by a small creek and plugged the earphones into my ears and chose the blue transparent Maxell disc because it looked cool ;o) I leant backwards against a tree stem and closed my eyes. The sounds from the creek and the forest were ever present, but I thought I heard something different, and it was the jet moving in at the beginning of LeParc. The contrast between the sweet sounds of nature (both for real and on the recording) and the roar of the jet engines is a phenomenal effect, and this situation totally blew my mind. I sat down (couldn't get up if I tried) through the entire second face of the LeParc LP which I had copied, and when Yellowstone Park finished I sensed nothing but pure serenity and I was totally relaxed and clear in my mind. Le Parc is one of my all time favourite TD albums, but not THE best. But this was definetly my best experience with TD, and I can't wait to find an even better one... Take care, and I'll see you all on the other side of New Years! Happy New Year!! Thomas Helsingborg, Sweden From: Quarlie@xxx.xxx Date: Fri Dec 31, 1999 7:23 am Subject: Re: Evening Star In a message dated 12/30/99 10:34:36 PM, Jared White wrote: >Oh year, I've heard about that. So someone posted it on a Web site? >Where's the URL -- I'm anxious to hear it! The site is: http://www.adamszymanek.cjb.net/ If you're wondering when the original posting was, it was on the 23rd and is in digest 335. --Daniel (Quarlie) NP: AUX 88--Xeo-Genetic From: 'tadream' BTW, thanks to Adam for posting that--now I don't have to seek out the single > on eBay. > > --Daniel (Quarlie) > NP: the Very Best of the Human League > > > Please practice listserv etiquette. To unsubscribe, e-mail tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://tadream.copfer.com > > What are Chris Franke and Paul Haslinger up to these days? Find out at http://www.haslinger.com and http://www.sonicimages.com/cf/! From: Chris Richards > I was trying to remember which song it was that Afrika Bambatta sampled on his song Planet Rock (it's also appeared in other songs). I was thinking it might be Tour de France, but now that I think about it, it might actually be Trans Europe Express. I thought about it because I thought maybe it was Planet Rock that was used in Breakin, but if it's Trans Europe Express that was used, obviously this would be incorrect. Anyway, I've never seen the movie (I never did understand what the big deal about break dancing wsa), so what do I know??? ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris Death Before Dishonour Dishonour Before Disco __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20104 Re: Talking about Kraftwerk Sean Montgomery Fri 12/31/1999 1 KB 20117 Re: Talking about Kraftwerk Flemming Larsen Sat 1/1/2000 2 KB From: Synthhtnys@xxx.xxx Date: Fri Dec 31, 1999 8:53 am Subject: Re: D:Studio [Tangram] In a message dated 12/30/1999 4:58:07 PM !!!First Boot!!!, jwhite@s... writes: << Meaning same tired old snide remarks. Like Tangram doesn't include pop forms. What a joke. Jared >> *It doesn't seem to have occured to you that there was nothing snide in that remark, I was just pointing out that we still had side-long pieces of music from TD at this point.. less pop oriented than what came later...As far as tired... It also doesn't appear to have occured to you that your continual banging the '90's TD drum is also 'Tired'. Poly From: Derk A friend of mine told me a friend of his read on TD's web site that Ed is > going to the Vienna conservatory to study music. Edgar going to study music? Well, that's about time, too! ;-) D From: TOMX01@xxx.xxx Date: Fri Dec 31, 1999 10:47 am Subject: Re: Best TD experience My best TD experience ... my first visit to Los Angeles. We were on approach to LAX the captain told us but all I could see out of the window was black. I popped Amarok out of my personal CD player and replaced it with Rockoon. Just as the massive Big City Dwarves fired up we swooped over the mountains to reveal the metropolis of Los Angeles at night. Breathtaking. BCD therefore became my anthem of all things Americana since. Tom (Melrose) From: Gustavo Jobim From: 'Jared White' From: Synthhtnys@a... > > In a message dated 12/30/1999 4:58:07 PM !!!First Boot!!!, jwhite@s... > writes: > > << Meaning same tired old snide remarks. Like Tangram doesn't include pop > forms. What a joke. > > Jared >> > > *It doesn't seem to have occured to you that there was nothing > snide in that remark, I was just pointing out that we still had side-long > pieces of music from TD at this point.. less pop oriented than what > came later...As far as tired... It also doesn't appear to have occured > to you that your continual banging the '90's TD drum is also 'Tired'. Oh man, wow, I mean, what was I thinking? That I should actually *like* the last 10 years of a band's output here on a list devoted to them! I mean, gee! Where have I been? So sorry, I'll leave you all to your beautiful reminiscences.... Jared From: 'Pergamon' To: Sent: Friday, December 31, 1999 1:26 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] Impression of EIMP > From: Vic Rek > > This is my favorite Froese album. The description below is very nice. > > Thanks Jan! My own top 5 solo-album favorites are: stuntman pinnacles epsilon in malaysian pale romance 76 PB trans harmonic nights PB also I want to thank everyone for all the impressions on different TD or TD-related album. Nice to hear others experiences when listening to the music. Jan From: 'Patrik .' From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' From: 'Jens Peschke' From: 'Jared White' > gee! Where have I been? So sorry, I'll leave you all to your beautiful > reminiscences.... Yeah, come back once you've grown up and may the smartness be with you over the next years. ;-) Slightly off topic, but it seems CNN will show bits of the Jarre gigs at the pyramids in about 2 hours. Jens From: 'kayleigh' From: 'Lawry Simm' From: 'Lawry Simm' Over the last six months I've already given away > three copies as birthday presents, and in all three > cases the album was much appreciated. What a great idea.. might try and convert some people myself. Has anyone else successfully converted a non TD fan by way of a gift? Any other albums that have this ability like Tangram? Lawry lawrysimm@u... ICQ # 23267226 Instant Messenger - lawrysimm NP - PSX - FFVIII (great game) From: 'Pergamon' To: Tadream Mailing List Sent: Friday, December 31, 1999 7:54 PM Subject: [tadream] Re: D:Studio [Tangram] > From: 'Lawry Simm' > > Derk wrote - > > Over the last six months I've already given away > > three copies as birthday presents, and in all three > > cases the album was much appreciated. > > What a great idea.. might try and convert some people myself. > > Has anyone else successfully converted a non TD fan by way of a > gift? Any other albums that have this ability like Tangram? > > Lawry > lawrysimm@u... > ICQ # 23267226 > Instant Messenger - lawrysimm > > NP - PSX - FFVIII (great game) > > > Please practice listserv etiquette. To unsubscribe, e-mail tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://tadream.copfer.com > > What are Chris Franke and Paul Haslinger up to these days? Find out at http://www.haslinger.com and http://www.sonicimages.com/cf/! > From: 'Pergamon' To: Tadream Mailing List Sent: Friday, December 31, 1999 7:50 PM Subject: [tadream] Discussion Week 16 - Sunday 2nd January 2000 > From: 'Lawry Simm' > > Yes Siberkat, this week sees us moving to 'Thief'. Please make your > subject read 'D:Soundtrack [Thief]' when posting comments and reviews. > From: PENFOLD From: Sean Montgomery >> Note that Kraftwerk never did any soundtracks. ;) (Does 'Tour de >> France' count as a soundtrack???) > >Although it wasn't composed *for* the movie, Tour de France was used in >the break dance epic 'Breakin' back in 1984. I recall that _Trans-Europe Express_ was also popular Pete Isaacson DJ DreamHead mailto:penfold@a... 'We throw each piece of equipment three times out of the third floor of our studio complex. If it's still functioning properly, we'll take it on the road. If not, we send it back to Tokyo!...' -- Edgar Froese , on the way Tangerine Dream decides on which instruments to take on the road. From an interview in _Keyboard_ magazine. From: 'Greg' From: 'Pergamon' > My own top 5 solo-album favorites are: > > stuntman 'Drunken Mozart in the Desert' is just and absoulte perfert work.. to me, this means Edgar alone could have taken the TD concept and flourished it himself. The sequences, instrument choices, and inspiration are all classic TD. Great stuff! Great album! Mars Polaris is just an awesome work.. honestly I didn't think it would be this good, but it is. The hardest thing to get passed is the drumming, but there is a wonderful return to effect and style to the percussion and synth work. I'm feeling better now and Mars Polaris is something that has been one very expressive album for me. Forget the concept and forget the song names.. there is emotion in there, something I didn't expect, and really it's a great thing it's in there because it really helped out. BTW, thank you everyone that wrote to offer help in a tough time It helped me to get out some things I would normally keep in. NP: Mar Polaris 'Pilots of the Ether Belt' From: Vic Rek From: TJames0001@xxx.xxx Date: Fri Dec 31, 1999 9:02 pm Subject: Re: Okefenokee List I am interested--- Tom James---Indiana From: Synthhtnys@xxx.xxx Date: Fri Dec 31, 1999 9:23 pm Subject: Re: D:Studio [Tangram] In a message dated 12/31/1999 6:10:12 PM !!!First Boot!!!, jwhite@s... writes: << Oh man, wow, I mean, what was I thinking? That I should actually *like* the last 10 years of a band's output here on a list devoted to them! I mean, gee! Where have I been? So sorry, I'll leave you all to your beautiful reminiscences.... Jared >> * You excell at missing the point. Have you cosidered a career in politics? There was no qualifications of TD's 90's output in that post. Only a suggestion that your comments may be just as 'Tired' as ones that prefer the virgin years that you publicly announce are 'Tired' I personally don't care WHAT era anyone likes UNTIL they get 'snide' about it. Try an experiment. Go back and read both sets of letters and ask yourself who was really being 'snide' Here's the hard part ... be honest Poly From: Sean Montgomery I was trying to remember which song it was that > Afrika Bambatta sampled on his song Planet Rock > (it's also appeared in other songs). I was > thinking it might be Tour de France, but now that > I think about it, it might actually be Trans > Europe Express. Trans Europe Express it was! SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: Flemming Larsen Was watchin CNN, sure someone must have mentioned this in the past. Just saw a 7 minute clip from the beginning of the concert on Danish TV. It's the world wide coproduction between BBC and countless other stations. The beginning was very impressive. Good percussion intro which send me back in time to his great 80s Giga concerts. Jarre then entered the stage through a hole in the stage floor, and started playing bell sounds on his synthsizer as well as smashing a mallet to a big brass bell hanging overhead (is he taking on Mike Oldfield on the bells now ? ;-)) What followed was a very nice rythmic track (unknown to me). And Jarre was actually busy playing his instruments this time ;-) Did I mention a very cool light and laser show ? Well it was. The beginning of the concert really made me wish I was there, and I really could have been there, had my Egyptian job come through :-( --------------------------------------------------------------- Life is a ride, like days on a train. Cities rush by, like ghosts in the night. The rythm of wheels tired fades away. Stations and journey, destination unknow. --Yello-- __ \ O /_ Flemming Larsen, fglarsen@p... \/ /_ \ http:// (soon I hope) \ Tangerine Dream, Klaus Schulze, Mike Oldfield --------------------------------------------------------------- From: 'twosheds' From: 'kayleigh' From: 'Daniel Hobrecht' 3. Talking about Kraftwerk From: Chris Richards 4. Re: D:Studio [Tangram] From: Synthhtnys@a... 5. Edgar's studies From: Derk 6. Re: Best TD experience From: TOMX01@a... 7. Best TD experience From: Gustavo Jobim 8. Re: D:Studio [Tangram] From: 'Jared White' 9. Sv: Impression of EIMP From: 'Pergamon' 10. RE: Mellotron From: 'Patrik .' 11. Nothing of vital importance. From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' 12. Re: D:Studio [Tangram] From: 'Jens Peschke' 13. Happy new year From: 'kayleigh' 14. Discussion Week 16 - Sunday 2nd January 2000 From: 'Lawry Simm' 15. Re: D:Studio [Tangram] From: 'Lawry Simm' 16. Sv: Re: D:Studio [Tangram] From: 'Pergamon' 17. Sv: Discussion Week 16 - Sunday 2nd January 2000 From: 'Pergamon' 18. Re: Kraftwerk 2 - Electric Boogaloo From: PENFOLD 19. Re: Impression of EIMP From: 'Greg' 20. Okefenokee List From: Vic Rek 21. Re: Okefenokee List From: TJames0001@a... 22. Re: D:Studio [Tangram] From: Synthhtnys@a... 23. Re: Talking about Kraftwerk From: Sean Montgomery 24. Re: JMJ At The Pyramids For The Non-Millenium From: Flemming Larsen 25. TD NYE? From: 'twosheds' ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ Message: 1 Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 02:23:14 EST From: Quarlie@a... Subject: Re: Evening Star In a message dated 12/30/99 10:34:36 PM, Jared White wrote: >Oh year, I've heard about that. So someone posted it on a Web site? >Where's the URL -- I'm anxious to hear it! The site is: http://www.adamszymanek.cjb.net/ If you're wondering when the original posting was, it was on the 23rd and is in digest 335. --Daniel (Quarlie) NP: AUX 88--Xeo-Genetic ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 08:28:17 +0100 From: 'tadream' Subject: Re: Evening Star you are quite welcome! > BTW, thanks to Adam for posting that--now I don't have to seek out the single > on eBay. > > --Daniel (Quarlie) > NP: the Very Best of the Human League > > > Please practice listserv etiquette. To unsubscribe, e-mail tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://tadream.copfer.com > > What are Chris Franke and Paul Haslinger up to these days? Find out at http://www.haslinger.com and http://www.sonicimages.com/cf/! ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ Message: 3 Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 00:20:58 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Richards Subject: Talking about Kraftwerk <> I was trying to remember which song it was that Afrika Bambatta sampled on his song Planet Rock (it's also appeared in other songs). I was thinking it might be Tour de France, but now that I think about it, it might actually be Trans Europe Express. I thought about it because I thought maybe it was Planet Rock that was used in Breakin, but if it's Trans Europe Express that was used, obviously this would be incorrect. Anyway, I've never seen the movie (I never did understand what the big deal about break dancing wsa), so what do I know??? ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris Death Before Dishonour Dishonour Before Disco __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ Message: 4 Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 03:53:07 EST From: Synthhtnys@a... Subject: Re: D:Studio [Tangram] In a message dated 12/30/1999 4:58:07 PM !!!First Boot!!!, jwhite@s... writes: << Meaning same tired old snide remarks. Like Tangram doesn't include pop forms. What a joke. Jared >> *It doesn't seem to have occured to you that there was nothing snide in that remark, I was just pointing out that we still had side-long pieces of music from TD at this point.. less pop oriented than what came later...As far as tired... It also doesn't appear to have occured to you that your continual banging the '90's TD drum is also 'Tired'. Poly ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ Message: 5 Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 10:45:13 +0100 From: Derk Subject: Edgar's studies > A friend of mine told me a friend of his read on TD's web site that Ed is > going to the Vienna conservatory to study music. Edgar going to study music? Well, that's about time, too! ;-) D ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ Message: 6 Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 05:47:50 EST From: TOMX01@a... Subject: Re: Best TD experience My best TD experience ... my first visit to Los Angeles. We were on approach to LAX the captain told us but all I could see out of the window was black. I popped Amarok out of my personal CD player and replaced it with Rockoon. Just as the massive Big City Dwarves fired up we swooped over the mountains to reveal the metropolis of Los Angeles at night. Breathtaking. BCD therefore became my anthem of all things Americana since. Tom (Melrose) ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ Message: 7 Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 12:26:20 -0200 From: Gustavo Jobim Subject: Best TD experience I have such a short TD life, 4 months now... I've had some good TD experiences, like the first time I heard Force Majeure the track. The grin on my face listening to that in the store was inevitable. Another good experience was when I heard the first albums I bought, Extracts from Poland and White Eagle. I was used to the Jarre sound and to the only Kraftwerk and Oldfield albums I had got, which were Autobahn and Tubular Bells. It was really a different kind of music. But maybe the strongest experience (not a good one actually) was listening to Alpha Centauri for the first time (the track). I already had enjoyed Sunrise and the amazing drum session in Fly and Collison, it was about 4 in the morning and I already was totally immersed in Alpha Centauri (track) 18 minutes of the moaning atmosphere. I mean, atmosfear. Then suddenly Udo goes Der geist, der liebe and that was an unforgettable fright. I immediately unplugged the earphones and I just couldn't continue to listen to the CD. I just finished listening to it the following afternoon. I guess that's it. Happy 2000 to evrybody! gfj p.s. And another interesting experience was when I slept listening to Zeit (the album). But I guess that happened to everybody here. :) --- Gustavo F. Jobim gustavfj@m... gustavofj@h... ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ Message: 8 Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 10:07:50 -0800 From: 'Jared White' Subject: Re: D:Studio [Tangram] > From: Synthhtnys@a... > > In a message dated 12/30/1999 4:58:07 PM !!!First Boot!!!, jwhite@s... > writes: > > << Meaning same tired old snide remarks. Like Tangram doesn't include pop > forms. What a joke. > > Jared >> > > *It doesn't seem to have occured to you that there was nothing > snide in that remark, I was just pointing out that we still had side-long > pieces of music from TD at this point.. less pop oriented than what > came later...As far as tired... It also doesn't appear to have occured > to you that your continual banging the '90's TD drum is also 'Tired'. Oh man, wow, I mean, what was I thinking? That I should actually *like* the last 10 years of a band's output here on a list devoted to them! I mean, gee! Where have I been? So sorry, I'll leave you all to your beautiful reminiscences.... Jared ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ Message: 9 Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 19:16:42 +0100 From: 'Pergamon' Subject: Sv: Impression of EIMP ----- Original Message ----- From: Vic Rek To: Sent: Friday, December 31, 1999 1:26 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] Impression of EIMP > From: Vic Rek > > This is my favorite Froese album. The description below is very nice. > > Thanks Jan! My own top 5 solo-album favorites are: stuntman pinnacles epsilon in malaysian pale romance 76 PB trans harmonic nights PB also I want to thank everyone for all the impressions on different TD or TD-related album. Nice to hear others experiences when listening to the music. Jan ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ Message: 10 Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 19:18:28 CET From: 'Patrik .' Subject: RE: Mellotron 'Well, I'm listening to White Eagle right now, and I'm sure I just heard a Mellotron choir at the end of Convention of the 24. Go take a listen and see if I'm right or not. :)' Jared Okey Jared, it sounds like a Mellotron, but in 1982 the Mellotron was long gone, so my guess is that it´s the PPG Wave-synt. But it could be anything, but I really don´t think it´s a Mellotron. Patrik ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ Message: 11 Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 18:19:37 -0000 From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' Subject: Nothing of vital importance. Just to say Guys and Gals HAPPY NEW YEAR . ' Orch ' ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ Message: 12 Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2000 19:16:47 +0100 From: 'Jens Peschke' Subject: Re: D:Studio [Tangram] > From: 'Jared White' > gee! Where have I been? So sorry, I'll leave you all to your beautiful > reminiscences.... Yeah, come back once you've grown up and may the smartness be with you over the next years. ;-) Slightly off topic, but it seems CNN will show bits of the Jarre gigs at the pyramids in about 2 hours. Jens ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ Message: 13 Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 13:29:08 -0500 From: 'kayleigh' Subject: Happy new year Hey all. Happy happy, warm and fuzzies, and may the millenium with all it's overhyped garbage be the BEST ONE that you and all of yours ever have! Best wishes and all the safest and greatest new years you've had, with hopes and prayers for many many more. warm and fuzzy stuff. dan Kayleigh's Playhouse http://www.modempool.com/kayleigh Great White/Poison/Online Mailing Lists ICQ#1247205 - AOL IM: Tootiehoot2 Yahoo Pager: kayleigh_tootiehoot ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ Message: 14 Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 18:50:28 -0000 From: 'Lawry Simm' Subject: Discussion Week 16 - Sunday 2nd January 2000 Happy New Year to all on the list that still care. Yes Siberkat, this week sees us moving to 'Thief'. Please make your subject read 'D:Soundtrack [Thief]' when posting comments and reviews. Samples can be found at http://www.tangerinedream.de/samples/thief1.ram http://www.tangerinedream.de/samples/thief2.ram I'll post the full discussion schedule later in the week not that it has been finalised. Seems it will take us just about to 2001 !! Best Wishes Lawry lawrysimm@u... ICQ # 23267226 Instant Messenger - lawrysimm ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ Message: 15 Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 18:54:43 -0000 From: 'Lawry Simm' Subject: Re: D:Studio [Tangram] Derk wrote - > Over the last six months I've already given away > three copies as birthday presents, and in all three > cases the album was much appreciated. What a great idea.. might try and convert some people myself. Has anyone else successfully converted a non TD fan by way of a gift? Any other albums that have this ability like Tangram? Lawry lawrysimm@u... ICQ # 23267226 Instant Messenger - lawrysimm NP - PSX - FFVIII (great game) ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ Message: 16 Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 21:35:33 +0100 From: 'Pergamon' Subject: Sv: Re: D:Studio [Tangram] Hello Yes I succeded in converting a friend, by giving him EF's Stuntman. Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: Lawry Simm To: Tadream Mailing List Sent: Friday, December 31, 1999 7:54 PM Subject: [tadream] Re: D:Studio [Tangram] > From: 'Lawry Simm' > > Derk wrote - > > Over the last six months I've already given away > > three copies as birthday presents, and in all three > > cases the album was much appreciated. > > What a great idea.. might try and convert some people myself. > > Has anyone else successfully converted a non TD fan by way of a > gift? Any other albums that have this ability like Tangram? > > Lawry > lawrysimm@u... > ICQ # 23267226 > Instant Messenger - lawrysimm > > NP - PSX - FFVIII (great game) > > > Please practice listserv etiquette. To unsubscribe, e-mail tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://tadream.copfer.com > > What are Chris Franke and Paul Haslinger up to these days? Find out at http://www.haslinger.com and http://www.sonicimages.com/cf/! > ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ Message: 17 Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 21:37:01 +0100 From: 'Pergamon' Subject: Sv: Discussion Week 16 - Sunday 2nd January 2000 Hehe......here we go :-) Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: Lawry Simm To: Tadream Mailing List Sent: Friday, December 31, 1999 7:50 PM Subject: [tadream] Discussion Week 16 - Sunday 2nd January 2000 > From: 'Lawry Simm' > > Yes Siberkat, this week sees us moving to 'Thief'. Please make your > subject read 'D:Soundtrack [Thief]' when posting comments and reviews. > ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ Message: 18 Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 12:25:23 -0800 From: PENFOLD Subject: Re: Kraftwerk 2 - Electric Boogaloo At 1999.12.30 x 17:08, Sean Montgomery wrote: >From: Sean Montgomery >> Note that Kraftwerk never did any soundtracks. ;) (Does 'Tour de >> France' count as a soundtrack???) > >Although it wasn't composed *for* the movie, Tour de France was used in >the break dance epic 'Breakin' back in 1984. I recall that _Trans-Europe Express_ was also popular Pete Isaacson DJ DreamHead mailto:penfold@a... 'We throw each piece of equipment three times out of the third floor of our studio complex. If it's still functioning properly, we'll take it on the road. If not, we send it back to Tokyo!...' -- Edgar Froese , on the way Tangerine Dream decides on which instruments to take on the road. From an interview in _Keyboard_ magazine. ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ Message: 19 Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 14:00:25 -0700 From: 'Greg' Subject: Re: Impression of EIMP > From: 'Pergamon' > My own top 5 solo-album favorites are: > > stuntman 'Drunken Mozart in the Desert' is just and absoulte perfert work.. to me, this means Edgar alone could have taken the TD concept and flourished it himself. The sequences, instrument choices, and inspiration are all classic TD. Great stuff! Great album! Mars Polaris is just an awesome work.. honestly I didn't think it would be this good, but it is. The hardest thing to get passed is the drumming, but there is a wonderful return to effect and style to the percussion and synth work. I'm feeling better now and Mars Polaris is something that has been one very expressive album for me. Forget the concept and forget the song names.. there is emotion in there, something I didn't expect, and really it's a great thing it's in there because it really helped out. BTW, thank you everyone that wrote to offer help in a tough time It helped me to get out some things I would normally keep in. NP: Mar Polaris 'Pilots of the Ether Belt' ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ Message: 20 Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 16:02:45 -0500 From: Vic Rek Subject: Okefenokee List Happy Y2K to all TD fans! Here is a current list of attendees that I have gathered. Please e-mail me with any updates. Also, I will make some cottage reservations in the next week. I am planning to set a time when there is a full moon (for that canoe trip overnight - optional of course). I am looking for 4-5 days starting either March 17th, 2000 or April 16th, 2000. These cottages are hard to reserve I hear, so let me know ASAP. Here is the list of members that expressed interest in attending: Andrew Rozsa Alabama Dell Florida Dan Schulte Florida Marcel Engels The Netherlands (Live music?) Joe Shoults Wisconsin? Joel Mullen Wisconsin Michael Jean Illinois James Owens Alabama Roger Smith Florida Rudy Russo ? Paul Ellis Washington (Live music?) Tom George Tennesee (first one to sign up!) Scott 'twosheds' Ohio Marcelo Gutierrez New York Vic Rek Georgia Craig Chambers Georgia Jim Moore Georgia (?) Michael Kniebel Germany (?) Now, where is Rick Brown, Neil van Laten, Klaus B., Peter S., Peter R. and the rest of the gang? Please provide input ASAP so we can make definite plans. For those undecided, no problem, you can always join us, but accomodations will have to be taken care of on your own. If you bring a tent you'll be just fine (well, just maybe). Vic NP: Great Wall of China - :-)))) ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ Message: 21 Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 16:02:55 EST From: TJames0001@a... Subject: Re: Okefenokee List I am interested--- Tom James---Indiana ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ Message: 22 Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 16:23:27 EST From: Synthhtnys@a... Subject: Re: D:Studio [Tangram] In a message dated 12/31/1999 6:10:12 PM !!!First Boot!!!, jwhite@s... writes: << Oh man, wow, I mean, what was I thinking? That I should actually *like* the last 10 years of a band's output here on a list devoted to them! I mean, gee! Where have I been? So sorry, I'll leave you all to your beautiful reminiscences.... Jared >> * You excell at missing the point. Have you cosidered a career in politics? There was no qualifications of TD's 90's output in that post. Only a suggestion that your comments may be just as 'Tired' as ones that prefer the virgin years that you publicly announce are 'Tired' I personally don't care WHAT era anyone likes UNTIL they get 'snide' about it. Try an experiment. Go back and read both sets of letters and ask yourself who was really being 'snide' Here's the hard part ... be honest Poly ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ Message: 23 Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 16:35:40 -0500 (EST) From: Sean Montgomery Subject: Re: Talking about Kraftwerk > I was trying to remember which song it was that > Afrika Bambatta sampled on his song Planet Rock > (it's also appeared in other songs). I was > thinking it might be Tour de France, but now that > I think about it, it might actually be Trans > Europe Express. Trans Europe Express it was! SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ Message: 24 Date: Fri, 31 Dec 99 23:18:17 +0000 From: Flemming Larsen Subject: Re: JMJ At The Pyramids For The Non-Millenium Steven wrote: >Was watchin CNN, sure someone must have mentioned this in the past. Just saw a 7 minute clip from the beginning of the concert on Danish TV. It's the world wide coproduction between BBC and countless other stations. The beginning was very impressive. Good percussion intro which send me back in time to his great 80s Giga concerts. Jarre then entered the stage through a hole in the stage floor, and started playing bell sounds on his synthsizer as well as smashing a mallet to a big brass bell hanging overhead (is he taking on Mike Oldfield on the bells now ? ;-)) What followed was a very nice rythmic track (unknown to me). And Jarre was actually busy playing his instruments this time ;-) Did I mention a very cool light and laser show ? Well it was. The beginning of the concert really made me wish I was there, and I really could have been there, had my Egyptian job come through :-( --------------------------------------------------------------- Life is a ride, like days on a train. Cities rush by, like ghosts in the night. The rythm of wheels tired fades away. Stations and journey, destination unknow. --Yello-- __ \ O /_ Flemming Larsen, fglarsen@p... \/ /_ \ http:// (soon I hope) \ Tangerine Dream, Klaus Schulze, Mike Oldfield --------------------------------------------------------------- ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ Message: 25 Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 18:43:38 -0500 From: 'twosheds' Subject: TD NYE? Was anyone at the Brandenburg Gate tonight? They showed on TV the celebration they were having, and my wife swears they were playing TD. Just wanted to know if anyone can confirm this. Happy New Year gang! Peace, Love and Rock & Roll, Scott ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ From: Gabe Yedid Date: Sat Jan 1, 2000 7:41 am Subject: Happy New Year Well, by the time you all read this, it should be 2000 everywhere in the world, so... Happy New Year to the online TD community! Let's hope this is a good one where TD comes on strong! cheers, Gabe Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20110 Re: Happy New Year Rudy Russo Sat 1/1/2000 2 KB 25535 Happy New Year David Foster Sat 12/30/2000 2 KB 25537 Happy New Year Rimas Lazutka Sat 12/30/2000 2 KB 25539 Re: Happy New Year PENFOLD Sun 12/31/2000 2 KB 25542 Happy New Year horrod6 Sun 12/31/2000 2 KB 30937 Happy New Year David Foster Mon 12/31/2001 2 KB 38028 Happy New Year bert_hulshoff@y... bert_hulshoff Tue 12/31/2002 2 KB 38029 Re: Happy New Year Paul Dryden paulus_d2002 Tue 12/31/2002 3 KB From: Rudy Russo wrote: > From: Gabe Yedid > > Well, by the time you all read this, it should be > 2000 everywhere in the > world, so... > > Happy New Year to the online TD community! > Let's hope this is a good one where TD comes on > strong! > > cheers, > > Gabe > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor > ---------------------------- > > GRAB THE GATOR! FREE SOFTWARE DOES ALL THE > TYPING FOR YOU! > Tired of filling out forms and remembering > passwords? 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To unsubscribe, e-mail tadream-unsubscribe@o... Website: http://tadream.copfer.com What are Chris Franke and Paul Haslinger up to these days? Find out at http://www.haslinger.com and http://www.sonicimages.com/cf/! > --------------------------------------------- > Attachment: text/html; charset=us-ascii > MIME Type: text/html > --------------------------------------------- > --------------------------------------------- > Attachment: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > MIME Type: text/plain > --------------------------------------------- ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 From: Wouter Bessels From: 'Pergamon' From: Flemming Larsen > > Steven wrote: > Just saw a 7 minute clip from the beginning of the concert on Danish TV. > It's the world wide coproduction between BBC and countless other stations. > > The beginning was very impressive. Good percussion intro which > send me back in time to his great 80s Giga concerts. > Jarre then entered the stage through a hole in the stage floor, and > started playing bell sounds on his synthsizer as well as smashing a > mallet to a big brass bell hanging overhead (is he taking on Mike > Oldfield on the bells now ? ;-)) funny you should mention it, we sat 4 guys, and said the same, when we saw the clip > What followed was a very nice rythmic track (unknown to me). > And Jarre was actually busy playing his instruments this time ;-) It was a very nice piece, but a bit sad that he also has taken up the dance/techno genre. Well.......I had hoped for a more oxygene/equinoxe-kind of style. > Did I mention a very cool light and laser show ? Well it was. Didn't you just love those walking computeranimated gods in the background. Can't wait until more of the concert is broadcasted. Jan From: Gustavo Jobim From: Gustavo Jobim 'Well, I'm listening to White Eagle right now, and I'm sure I just heard a >Mellotron choir at the end of Convention of the 24. Go take a listen and see >if I'm right or not. :)' > >Jared > > >Okey Jared, it sounds like a Mellotron, but in 1982 the Mellotron was >long gone, so my guess is that it´s the PPG Wave-synt. But it could be >anything, but I really don´t think it´s a Mellotron. > >Patrik Well, it looks like Mellotron, but doesn't the Mellotron have a certain 'voice' doesn't he? Some sort of... how can I say? Gloomy or melancholic sound? The difference is more noticeable comparing Mysterious Semblance with Convention. The sound in Convention is more... sharp? gustavo now playing Tangram part 1 --- Gustavo F. Jobim gustavfj@m... gustavofj@h... From: Gustavo Jobim My own top 5 solo-album favorites are: >Jan My top 1 solo album favourite is Wuivend Riet. That's the only solo album I have. :) And I like it vrymuch! gfj now playing Tangram part 1 --- Gustavo F. Jobim gustavfj@m... gustavofj@h... From: Flemming Larsen I was trying to remember which song it was that >Afrika Bambatta sampled on his song Planet Rock >(it's also appeared in other songs). I was >thinking it might be Tour de France, but now that >I think about it, it might actually be Trans >Europe Express. It was indeed Trans Europe Express used by AB and many other HipHop artists during the 80s. --------------------------------------------------------------- Life is a ride, like days on a train. Cities rush by, like ghosts in the night. The rythm of wheels tired fades away. Stations and journey, destination unknow. --Yello-- __ \ O /_ Flemming Larsen, fglarsen@p... \/ /_ \ http:// (soon I hope) \ Tangerine Dream, Klaus Schulze, Mike Oldfield --------------------------------------------------------------- From: PENFOLD From: Wlodek Bag From: Gustavo Jobim Hi all! (...) It's no ready yet, but many people voted for their best >TD ever. I want to let you know top ten: > 1. Ricochet > 2. Poland Well, most of them are probably Polish... I think it counts, sometimes. :) > 3. Encore > 4. Rubycon > 5. Stratosfear > 6. Logos > 7. Pergamon > 8. Phaedra > 9. Underwater Sunlight > 10. Livemiles > White Eagle Gee, no F.M. or Tangram? --- Gustavo F. Jobim gustavfj@m... gustavofj@h... From: 'Craig Chambers' From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Sun Jan 2, 2000 12:45 pm Subject: Re: Best TD experience In a message dated 1/2/2000 4:29:30 AM !!!First Boot!!!, craigchambers@c... writes: << when I was 'snapped' back to reality by the flashing lights in the mirror and a glance at the speedometer...87 in a 55.... NP 'Barbakane' >> *Great story... too bad about the ending. I recently popped in Poland and, have to readjust my verdict for best of the Schmoelling years... Poland is Rock Solid. Poly From: Synthhtnys@xxx.xxx Date: Sun Jan 2, 2000 1:07 pm Subject: Best RECENT TD Experience I just bought Architecture in Motion, and have to send out a hearty thanks to those who recommended it... I really like this album much more than I expected I would. I will say that the sixth cut strikes me as corny butt-rock but even that one I've gotten addicted to. This album really has moments that shine.... It's weird. There are people doing dance type stuff MUCH better than this in many ways, but it really gets under your skin. It kind of reminds me of Underwater Sunlight or maybe more specifically Dolphins Dance, upbeat TD with crystal clear tonalities. This may not rank in the top 20 of my fav TD, but it may be someday at the rate I'm growing to like it..... Now I'm going to have to get Mars Polaris.... I picked it up at Tower which had ALL the CD's that people tended to say avoid (Ambient Monkeys, SOHO Man, Valentine Wheels , etc.) no Mars...... I really think William Orbit, Fanger and Kersten, etc., are doing better dance music, but there's something here, I can't put my finger on it, but, God, I'm going to be listening to it a lot. Cool that we have this recent thread about best TD exp. and I got this now, because, in some ways it IS one of the best for me... It made me believe in them again. This is even better than the story when I was in the witches coven, and they played Stratosfear, and the Archangel Metatron showed up and asked who was doing the music.... (yawn.) Jens is going to shit while reading this after the tirade I just wrote about preferring drumless EM. ;-) Poly Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20125 Re: Best RECENT TD Experience Jens Peschke Sun 1/2/2000 1 KB 20127 Re: Best RECENT TD Experience Jared White Sun 1/2/2000 3 KB From: Peter Ravn From: 'Jens Peschke' From: Synthhtnys@a... > Jens is going to shit while reading this after the tirade I just wrote > about preferring drumless EM. ;-) Naah. It just shows you are ready for some real good contempary electronica now. ;-) Hey Paul, how about using some old fashioned 90s techno-ish elements in your music now as we're living in the zeroes heroes. 8-) Best RECENT TD Experience ? Having a great laugh on a comment on TD@a... made by someone on the (German) MEMI list. Best Regards Jens np: salttank: science & nature, pi and eugina are killer ! From: 'Phil White' From Phil White > Ref: Gustavo F. Jobim regarding Epsilon In Malaysian Pale I have this release on vinyl from it's original release date in 1975 with the big 'Jerome with feather' foldout picture and it' on Virgin V0240. It has also been released on CD Virgin CD2040 with minature foldout cover I also have Aqua on vinyl and it's on Virgin 0216 and that too is available on CD on Virgin CD2016 . Interesting release particularly side 2 which was recorded with a 'dummy Head' recording system ( microphones were actually attached to the sides of the head ) invented by Gunther Brunschen which was an attempt to duplicate in the head sounds... hey this was 1974 after all !! Chris Franke provided the Moog sounds. Well worth hearing IMO. I am open to offers for trading for both vinyl releases ( both vg.vg ) please mail me direct if interested.... From: 'Jared White' I just bought Architecture in Motion, and have to send out a > hearty thanks to those who recommended it... I really like this > album much more than I expected I would. I will say that the > sixth cut strikes me as corny butt-rock but even that one I've gotten > addicted to. This album really has moments that shine.... That's great, I'm glad you enjoyed it. I'd say that between this album and Mars Polaris, TD definitely shows they ain't through yet.... > It's weird. There are people doing dance type stuff MUCH better > than this in many ways, but it really gets under your skin. There's a rea--*urgh*-- er, no comment. :) > It kind of reminds me of Underwater Sunlight or maybe more > specifically Dolphins Dance, upbeat TD with crystal clear tonalities. > This may not rank in the top 20 of my fav TD, but it may be someday > at the rate I'm growing to like it..... Now I'm going to have to get Mars > Polaris.... Well, I know some people actually like AiM better than Mars Polaris, but, IMO, Mars Polaris is quite simply a masterpiece. It really does sound very new and fresh and original to me. Yes, they may not have, like, totally abandonded all musical concepts of their past, but when has anybody ever done that? > I picked it up at Tower which had ALL the CD's that people > tended to say avoid (Ambient Monkeys, SOHO Man, Valentine Wheels > , etc.) no Mars...... I really think William Orbit, Fanger and Kersten, > etc., are doing better dance music, but there's something here, I can't > put my finger on it, but, God, I'm going to be listening to it a lot. > Cool that we have this recent thread about best TD exp. and I got > this now, because, in some ways it IS one of the best for me... > It made me believe in them again. Yay! ;) Jared P. S. I'd pick up Valentine Wheels if I were you. So what if some of the material on there is 'tangentized' material -- IMHO, practically everything they did on there was better because of it. When I heard the original Le Parc track recently, after having first heard the VW version, I thought 'man, this is lackluster!' And, if nothing else, it's cool hearing a 'digital' Sorcerer! (They did a complete new version of Betrayal.) From: Klaus Beschorner Now, where is Rick Brown, Neil van Laten, Klaus B., Peter S., >Peter R. and the rest of the gang? 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ID Date Size 20134 Re: looking for Hilmar ?? Jens Peschke Mon 1/3/2000 1 KB From: 'Mike Valant' From: 'Jens Peschke' From: jupe From: 'Glenn Folkvord (JMJ FKN)' From: 'Steven Le Vine' >Anyone going? Seems some of the 'locals' ain't to happy about the >celerbration. The concert turned into a political thing. The local audience loved the concert. I was there to witness it. Glenn JMJ Fanclub Norway www.jmjfkn.com JarreArt www.itsahit.com/jarreart JMJ stuff http://members.xoom.com/sforge/jarre.htm Emusic www.itsahit.com/emusic From: jowers From: Gustavo Jobim From: 'Jose Fernandez Garcia' From: 'Steven Le Vine' From: 'Lawry Simm' > > Yes Siberkat, this week sees us moving to 'Thief'. Amazingly, Superbly Masterful. This is an undestatement. A few years ago I was attempting to expand my musical horizons. I constantly rented CDs & Cassettes from the library. Sure I liked TD at the time, but was not yet 'hooked'. Found a Cassette for THIEF, rented it. WHen I listened to it, BEACH SCENE jumped out of the tape player bonked me on the head a few times & said 'I am the song you have been seeking! Worship me!' & I, being only mortal, obeyed. I played that song many times a day for the 30 days I had the tape. I thought about keeping it as I knew it would not be easy to find (this is b4 the web took off). But I returned it. A piece of me was missing. Then, a little while later, I was at an Underground Record Store (do they still call them that?). I went to peruse the TD CDs & SAW IT! An English import of THIEF! $22.00. As I was poor at the time :), I did not have the money, made my best friend buy it for me for my B-Day. At that time, In my mind, it had gained mystic proportions! & with good reason. As I can now compare it to the previous TD CD's. It is really nothing like them. It is dark, rythmic & has a different type of soul. To me THIEF is a a true conceptual album. I cannot really explain it & I have never seen the movie (I like James Caan & Michael Mann, just never got around to it). But, I feel the urgency & love & pain & wonderment through the music. As you may be able to tell this was the first TD CD to 'touch' me. & it stayed like that for quite a while. I was seeking something similar when I started really investing in TD, but never did (I found GREAT, MOVING, INSPIRING music mind you, just not like this). It is so cool that Beach Theme & Beach Scene are basically the same song. Since I liked it so much, it is nice hearing it twice :) As Beach Scene is the song that did it for me, I will concetrate on that. It starts quietly & electronically (LOL) at :31, a slight change & a build up starts slowly, something is gonna happen, you can feel it at about 1:12 it starts becoming rythmic & louder. 1:36 is so cool! Then the true theme begins. So simple yet so amazing! Then the solo, so poignant, one just floats with it. The part at 3:23, Fantabulous, I could listen to that part over & over. Then the guitar kicks in, raw, yet flowing with the rythym about 4:49 COOL! Then about 5:40 VERY COOL! I feel this song has something very few TD songs had at the time, a beginning, middle & end. Mind you, the rest of the CD is EXCELLENT. If you do not own this, WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU DOING? GO BUY IT! RIGHT NOW!!!!! The style is just JAMMIN' & ROCKIN' for TD a true landmark. It changed my life. Rather then continue ranting, I will stop. Suffice to say, I think one day I will try to have sex to this CD ( Not WITH it). ;) Now back to reality. Regards, siberkat np; Can You Guess? From: jowers From: 'Jose Fernandez Garcia' > >Can anyone send me the artwork of: >Dancing With Polar Bears On The Pole I would be happy if anyone could just find my copy of this show I've been owed since last Spring!!! (Thanks Neal) Kevin kvjowers@i... ---------------------------------- Visit my new CDr Trade List Page http://www.geocities.com/kvjowers/CDrTradeList.htm From: 'Mike Valant' From: 'Steven Le Vine' >Reply-To: tadream@o... >To: tadream@o... >Subject: [tadream] D:Soundtrack [Thief] >Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2000 21:15:39 -0500 > >From: 'Steven Le Vine' > > > From: 'Lawry Simm' > > > > Yes Siberkat, this week sees us moving to 'Thief'. > >Amazingly, Superbly Masterful. > >This is an undestatement. > >A few years ago I was attempting to expand my musical horizons. I >constantly >rented CDs & Cassettes from the library. Sure I liked TD at the time, but >was not yet 'hooked'. Found a Cassette for THIEF, rented it. WHen I >listened to it, BEACH SCENE jumped out of the tape player bonked me on the >head a few times & said 'I am the song you have been seeking! Worship me!' >& >I, being only mortal, obeyed. I played that song many times a day for the >30 days I had the tape. I thought about keeping it as I knew it would not >be >easy to find (this is b4 the web took off). But I returned it. A piece of >me was missing. > >Then, a little while later, I was at an Underground Record Store (do they >still call them that?). I went to peruse the TD CDs & SAW IT! An English >import of THIEF! $22.00. As I was poor at the time :), I did not have the >money, made my best friend buy it for me for my B-Day. At that time, In my >mind, it had gained mystic proportions! & with good reason. > >As I can now compare it to the previous TD CD's. It is really nothing like >them. It is dark, rythmic & has a different type of soul. To me THIEF is >a >a true conceptual album. I cannot really explain it & I have never seen >the >movie (I like James Caan & Michael Mann, just never got around to it). But, >I feel the urgency & love & pain & wonderment through the music. > >As you may be able to tell this was the first TD CD to 'touch' me. & it >stayed like that for quite a while. I was seeking something similar when I >started really investing in TD, but never did (I found GREAT, MOVING, >INSPIRING music mind you, just not like this). > >It is so cool that Beach Theme & Beach Scene are basically the same song. >Since I liked it so much, it is nice hearing it twice :) As Beach Scene is >the song that did it for me, I will concetrate on that. > >It starts quietly & electronically (LOL) at :31, a slight change & a build >up starts slowly, something is gonna happen, you can feel it at about 1:12 >it starts becoming rythmic & louder. 1:36 is so cool! Then the true theme >begins. So simple yet so amazing! Then the solo, so poignant, one just >floats with it. The part at 3:23, Fantabulous, I could listen to that part >over & over. Then the guitar kicks in, raw, yet flowing with the rythym >about 4:49 COOL! Then about 5:40 VERY COOL! I feel this song has something >very few TD songs had at the time, a beginning, middle & end. > >Mind you, the rest of the CD is EXCELLENT. If you do not own this, WHAT >THE >HELL ARE YOU DOING? GO BUY IT! RIGHT NOW!!!!! > >The style is just JAMMIN' & ROCKIN' for TD a true landmark. It changed my >life. > >Rather then continue ranting, I will stop. > >Suffice to say, I think one day I will try to have sex to this CD ( Not >WITH >it). ;) > >Now back to reality. > >Regards, > >siberkat > >np; Can You Guess? With out any ifs ands or buts, Thief to me is my favorite TD soundtrack.... Beach scene is KILLER..... Mr Wind From: 'Craig Chambers' Sixteen heard... 40 to go! Then comes the unofficial releases! Enjoy the Ride, my friend! NP: Steve Morse Band-Atlanta 99 From: Gustavo Jobim >Sixteen heard... 40 to go! > > >Then comes the unofficial releases! Enjoy the Ride, my friend! And non published concerts and solo works and TD-related works and all that stuff! --- Gustavo F. Jobim gustavfj@m... gustavofj@h... From: Gustavo Jobim From: Gustavo Jobim >Can anyone send me the artwork of: >>Dancing With Polar Bears On The Pole > > >I would be happy if anyone could just find my copy of this show I've been >owed since last Spring!!! (Thanks Neal) What an odd name... What is this? gfj np (...): From Dawn... --- Gustavo F. Jobim gustavfj@m... gustavofj@h... From: 'Thomas' From: Gustavo Jobim > > >>Sixteen heard... 40 to go! > > > > > >Then comes the unofficial releases! Enjoy the Ride, my friend! > > And non published concerts and solo works and TD-related works and all that > stuff! ...and may God have mercy on your economy! ;O) Thomas NP: Tangerine Dream / Encore 'Coldwater Canyon' - Phenomenal stuff, guitar roaring in the background now... From: LAWRY SIMM From: Gustavo Jobim From: Gustavo Jobim From: 'Jim Moore' From: Flemming Larsen From: 'Phil White' From Phil White > Ref: Gustavo F. Jobim regarding Epsilon In Malaysian Pale I have this release on vinyl from it's original release date in 1975 with the big 'Jerome with feather' foldout picture and it' on Virgin V0240. It has also been released on CD Virgin CD2040 with minature foldout cover I also have Aqua on vinyl and it's on Virgin 0216 and that too is available on CD on Virgin CD2016 . Interesting release particularly side 2 which was recorded with a 'dummy Head' recording system ( microphones were actually attached to the sides of the head ) invented by Gunther Brunschen which was an attempt to duplicate in the head sounds... hey this was 1974 after all !! Chris Franke provided the Moog sounds. Well worth hearing IMO. I am open to offers for trading for both vinyl releases ( both vg.vg ) please mail me direct if interested.... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26517 Epsilon David Foster Sun 3/18/2001 2 KB 29655 Epsilon BRUCE@F... Thu 10/18/2001 2 KB 29697 Re: Epsilon Phil White Sat 10/20/2001 2 KB From: Eric Rochon >Can anyone send me the artwork of: >>Dancing With Polar Bears On The Pole > > >I would be happy if anyone could just find my copy of this show I've been owed since last Spring!!! (Thanks Neal) >Kevin >kvjowers@i... Just feel the same Kevin.... he still owe me way more... but I do believe we should all forgot about this guy..... Éric From: Gabe Yedid From: 'Jim Moore' > > Is it out now? CDNOW has it available for ordering on their > site, but I haven't seen it stores yet... > > - jim Isn't TDI's official release date for this one sometime in February? Gabe From: 'Jens Peschke' From: 'Steven Le Vine' From: 'Mike Valant' From: 'Steven Le Vine' From: 'Mike Valant' >To: tadream@o... >Subject: Re: [tadream] What A Blast v. Architecture >Date: Tue, Jan 4, 2000, 10:21 PM > > From: 'Mike Valant' > > > > I have Architecture in Motion, i just realized that What A Blast has one > extra track, is it really worth it for one extra track on WAB? If it is i > want it. > > Also i hear TDI released Canyon Dreams with one extra track which wasnt on > Miramars, so again is this extra track worth it here as well. > > Mr Wind - yes i smoke peacepipes and live in a teepee > > > Please practice listserv etiquette. To unsubscribe, e-mail > tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://tadream.copfer.com > > What are Chris Franke and Paul Haslinger up to these days? Find out at > http://www.haslinger.com and http://www.sonicimages.com/cf/! > From: Chris Richards > My understanding was that the TD soundtrack version was only ever released in the US, so it would seem likely to me that they'd show the version with the Goldsmith soundtrack on TV in the UK. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, it wouldn't be the first time. ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris Death Before Dishonour Dishonour Before Disco __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com From: 'Thomas' From: 'Steven Le Vine' > > Heya Gang, > > Below are the New Age nominees released today. Anybody heard any of these? > > Just curious. > > siberkat > > 1. Citizen Of The World > David Arkenstone > [Windham Hill Records] * Actually, I like David Arkenstone quite much. I have no whole album with him, but a lot of different songs on for instance the 'OMNI' compilation discs. Some of the stuff is stunning! > 2. Turning > Suzanne Ciani > [Seventh Wave] * Suzanne Ciani recorded for Peter Baumanns old label Private. Some of her music is very good. Very relaxing and fluent. Great keyboard player. I would use these comments with caution, though. I'm one of the VERY few guys who think 'Tangram' ain't that good... ;o) Anyway, I gladly listen to these two, the others are unknown to me. Thomas Helsingborg, Sweden NP: Dire Straits 'Alchemy' live (not an e-music classic I know, but still great!) From: Rainer Rutka Just recieved the Sony Topping Out CD with MPEG > video of the concert + show. > The CD contains 7 audio tracks + CDRom track with the video. > As a TD rarity....it's definately a must have. Yes it is a rarity. I made this cd last year. If you want to see some pictures goto my td-site: www.rutka.de/td Rainer rainer@k... - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: 'James Chapman' From: Attila Gyory From: 'Mike Valant' From: 'Marcel Engels' Is Chris Frankes London Concert worthwhile? I sampled at Amazon, sounds > good, how is the rest? Absolutely! Lots of sequencer work on it...even some old TD tracks, but also some of the best of Pacific Coast Highway... I say, but it. :-) Mars From: Antonio Nunes > Is Chris Frankes London Concert worthwhile? I sampled at Amazon, sounds > good, how is the rest? It's the most TD-ish Chris Franke's solo album. Definitely worthwhile if you like TD from the 80s. Antonio Nunes np: Chris Franke - The London Concert (thanks for reminding me this great album!) From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' To: Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2000 4:47 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] What A Blast v. Architecture > From: 'Steven Le Vine' > > Think they are re-releasing Dream Roots Collection or has it been readily > available? > Hey Steven I was looking at Dream roots collection today in a local store prced around £ 40.00 in the original packaging , so it is still kicking around over here. Give me a shout if I can be of help . Best regards Carl ' Orch ' # ICQ 38818818. From: AOutland@xxx.xxx Date: Wed Jan 5, 2000 9:46 pm Subject: Re: Chris Frankes London Concert In a message dated 01/05/2000 3:49:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, fsp@w... writes: Actually, Mike Valant wrote this one: << Is Chris Frankes London Concert worthwhile? >> This is a very good album and I definitely advise getting it. This seems to be Franke's respectful farewell to Tangerine Dream while at the same time pointing out to his fans what his part was in that group. Many of the sounds he created are here, the tunes he must have inspired, the sequences that powerfully rolled through the Dream concerts. Kind of a 'Look at me: this is what I DID.' Once he got this concert out of his system he went on to create his own music without another look back. 8-) Dell From: 'Jens Peschke' > Hey Steven I was looking at Dream roots collection today in a local store > prced around £ 40.00 in the original packaging , so it is still kicking > around over here. This *really* is overpriced. I bought mine for about 20 quid, dunno if it's still available and I stopped looking for CDs in local stores. Jens From: 'Maikel Aarts' From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' To: Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2000 10:25 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] What A Blast v. Architecture > From: Carl & Jacqui Kearney > > > Hey Steven I was looking at Dream roots collection today in a local store > > prced around £ 40.00 in the original packaging , so it is still kicking > > around over here. > > This *really* is overpriced. I bought mine for about 20 quid, Hi Jens Yeh I agree I just been looking around the Net and found several copies for around the £ 20.00 mark. Just shows it pays to look before you leap. Best regards Carl . From: 'Michael A Jean' -----Original Message----- > From: Carl & Jacqui Kearney > [mailto:carl-jacqui@k...] > Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2000 5:39 PM > To: tadream@o... > Subject: Re: [tadream] What A Blast v. Architecture > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'Jens Peschke' > To: > Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2000 10:25 PM > Subject: Re: [tadream] What A Blast v. Architecture > > > > From: Carl & Jacqui Kearney > > > > > Hey Steven I was looking at Dream roots collection today in a local > store > > > prced around £ 40.00 in the original packaging , so it is > still kicking > > > around over here. > > > > This *really* is overpriced. I bought mine for about 20 quid, > > Hi Jens Yeh I agree I just been looking around the Net and found several > copies for around the £ 20.00 mark. > Just shows it pays to look before you leap. > Best regards Carl . > > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > GRAB THE GATOR! FREE SOFTWARE DOES ALL THE TYPING FOR YOU! > Tired of filling out forms and remembering passwords? Gator fills in > forms and passwords with just one click! Comes with $50 in free coupons! > Click Here > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > -- > Please practice listserv etiquette. To unsubscribe, e-mail > tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://tadream.copfer.com > > What are Chris Franke and Paul Haslinger up to these days? Find > out at http://www.haslinger.com and http://www.sonicimages.com/cf/! > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20197 Re: Dream Roots Price Gustavo Jobim Fri 1/7/2000 1 KB From: 'Michael A Jean' Category 39 - Best New Age Album > For solo artists, duos or groups, vocal or instrumental. > Compilation albums > by various artists are not eligible. > > Nominees > > > 1. Citizen Of The World > David Arkenstone > [Windham Hill Records] > > > 2. Turning > Suzanne Ciani > [Seventh Wave] > > > 3. Inside Monument Valley > Paul Horn & R. Carlos Nakai > [Canyon Records Productions] > > > 4. Inner Voices > R. Carlos Nakai > [Canyon Records Productions] > > > 5. Plains > George Winston > [Windham Hill Records] > > > 6. Celtic Solstice > Paul Winter & Friends > [Living Music] > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > Get great offers on top-notch products that match your interests! > Sign up for eLerts at: > Click Here > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Please practice listserv etiquette. To unsubscribe, e-mail > tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://tadream.copfer.com > > What are Chris Franke and Paul Haslinger up to these days? Find > out at http://www.haslinger.com and http://www.sonicimages.com/cf/! > From: jjoy From: 'Heiko Heerßen' From: Synthhtnys@xxx.xxx Date: Thu Jan 6, 2000 11:24 am Subject: Re: D: Soundtrack [Thief] suspect that is more nostalgia than objectiv In a message dated 1/6/2000 10:24:45 AM !!!First Boot!!!, heiko.heerssen@h... writes: << To me 'Firestarter' has to be the best TD soundtrack, the tracks 'Crystal voice' and 'Charly the kid' belong to the best that TD has ever made, followed by 'Wavelength' and 'Sorcerer'. Heiko >> * I agree totally about the Firestarter tracks. Those are my favorites also. I'd put Sorcerer first personally, but suspect that's more nostalgia than actual music content.... Sorcerer was the second TD I bought, when it came out. Poly From: 'Simon Slator' From: Wouter Bessels Can someone point me to a website where I can find the lyrics of Alpha >Centauri and Cyclone? >Thanks in advance, >Maikel Aarts You can find them in the lyrics section at the official Tangerine Dream website at http://www.tadream.de Cheers, Wouter NP. EF - Aqua From: 'James Chapman' From: 'James Chapman' From: 'Thomas' I have a few questions. > > 1. Are there different CDs of the Poland album? I had already bought one > when I saw another with different fonts. > > The one I have runs for 77:06 with tracks: > 1. Poland > 2. Tangent > 3. Barbakane > 4. Horizon > > Does the other one have any extra tracks? ** No, but the Tangent track is longer on the Relativity 2CD release. That CD release have the same lenght of tracks as the original LP. There's also a CD called Excerpts from Poland (or something like that) with only three tracks. > 2. I read that some copies of the Thief album had a ninth track called > Confrontation - is it available on any CD? ** It was available on the US Elektra release, vinyl only. You can also find it on Electronic Orgy, a 4CD bootleg containing rare tracks. The track itself is not by Tangerine Dream though, it is by a guy called Craig Safan. The cover doesn't tell who performs the music. > 3. Are the tracks 'The Dream Is Always The Same' and 'Love on a Real Train' > that appear on Dream Sequence appear anywhere else, because they aren't on > any other Virgin album. ** They are from the soundtrack Risky Business, and that is indeed a Virgin album. It was available both on CD and vinyl once upon a time. I think Groove Unlimited keep the CD in stock. Check at www.groove.nl . > 4. Of all the latest set or Virgin CDs (came out in 1995) why do all the > ones up to Tangram have a white painted label while those from Thief onwards > have a metalic label? Did they run out of white paint? :-) ** Check which country they are printed in! The ones with white paint were printed and manufactured in the UK, the other ones were manufactured in the Netherlands. The US versions appeared with different color paint - they look much nicer. Hyperborea is orange, White Eagle is blue, Encore is red and so on. Sound a bit better too. Although I prefer the not remastered versions. Maybe they have a bit more noise, and not as deep bass, but the music sound much more alive in my opinion. > 5. Where can I access the past TD digests so I can remove them from my > mailbox? ** Try and check website at http://tadream.copfer.com . I think you can access all digests from there. If not, try www.onelist.com where you can use your ID and password to go through all archives. Hope you find this useful. Thomas Helsingborg, Sweden Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20189 Re: SV: some questions Gustavo Jobim Fri 1/7/2000 2 KB From: 'Daniel Hobrecht' Date: Thu Jan 6, 2000 5:18 pm Subject: RE: Digest Number 350 Hi to all, I found this link on a TD newsgroup, it features a 35 minute RealAudio clip of TD in 1976 at Albert Hall. Enjoy! Thanks, DPH http://members.xoom.com/AcidAge/index.html -----Original Message----- From: tadream@o... [mailto:tadream@o...] Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2000 7:21 AM To: tadream@o... Subject: [tadream] Digest Number 350 --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- GRAB THE GATOR! FREE SOFTWARE DOES ALL THE TYPING FOR YOU! Tired of filling out forms and remembering passwords? Gator fills in forms and passwords with just one click! Comes with $50 in free coupons! Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Please practice listserv etiquette. To unsubscribe, e-mail tadream-unsubscribe@o... Website: http://tadream.copfer.com What are Chris Franke and Paul Haslinger up to these days? Find out at http://www.haslinger.com and http://www.sonicimages.com/cf/! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ There are 19 messages in this issue. Topics in today's digest: 1. Re: Digest Number 349 From: Chris Richards 2. Grammy's, Anybody Listening? From: 'Thomas' 3. Re: Sony Topping Off MPEG video From: Rainer Rutka 4. Tangram + Thief From: 'James Chapman' 5. JMJ At The Pyramids From: Attila Gyory 6. Chris Frankes London Concert From: 'Mike Valant' 7. RE: Chris Frankes London Concert From: 'Marcel Engels' 8. Re: Chris Frankes London Concert From: Antonio Nunes 9. Re: What A Blast v. Architecture From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' 10. Re: Chris Frankes London Concert From: AOutland@a... 11. Re: What A Blast v. Architecture From: 'Jens Peschke' 12. TD lyrics From: 'Maikel Aarts' 13. Re: What A Blast v. Architecture From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' 14. RE: Dream Roots Price From: 'Michael A Jean' 15. RE: Grammy's, Anybody Listening? From: 'Michael A Jean' 16. D:Soundtrack [Thief] From: jjoy 17. D: Soundtrack [Thief] From: 'Heiko Heerßen' 18. Re: D: Soundtrack [Thief] suspect that is more nostalgia than objectiv From: Synthhtnys@a... 19. New Project song - As The Clocks Struck Midnight From: 'Simon Slator' ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ Message: 1 Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 02:08:20 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Richards Subject: Re: Digest Number 349 <> My understanding was that the TD soundtrack version was only ever released in the US, so it would seem likely to me that they'd show the version with the Goldsmith soundtrack on TV in the UK. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, it wouldn't be the first time. ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris Death Before Dishonour Dishonour Before Disco __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 11:19:44 +0100 From: 'Thomas' Subject: Grammy's, Anybody Listening? Hi Siber! > From: 'Steven Le Vine' > > Heya Gang, > > Below are the New Age nominees released today. Anybody heard any of these? > > Just curious. > > siberkat > > 1. Citizen Of The World > David Arkenstone > [Windham Hill Records] * Actually, I like David Arkenstone quite much. I have no whole album with him, but a lot of different songs on for instance the 'OMNI' compilation discs. Some of the stuff is stunning! > 2. Turning > Suzanne Ciani > [Seventh Wave] * Suzanne Ciani recorded for Peter Baumanns old label Private. Some of her music is very good. Very relaxing and fluent. Great keyboard player. I would use these comments with caution, though. I'm one of the VERY few guys who think 'Tangram' ain't that good... ;o) Anyway, I gladly listen to these two, the others are unknown to me. Thomas Helsingborg, Sweden NP: Dire Straits 'Alchemy' live (not an e-music classic I know, but still great!) ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 16:58:13 -0100 (MEZ) From: Rainer Rutka Subject: Re: Sony Topping Off MPEG video On Tue, 4 Jan 2000, Flemming Larsen wrote: > Just recieved the Sony Topping Out CD with MPEG > video of the concert + show. > The CD contains 7 audio tracks + CDRom track with the video. > As a TD rarity....it's definately a must have. Yes it is a rarity. I made this cd last year. If you want to see some pictures goto my td-site: www.rutka.de/td Rainer rainer@k... - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 14:30:22 GMT From: 'James Chapman' Subject: Tangram + Thief Well, here's my first contribution to album of the week. I see I missed Tangram which is a shame as it's the first TD album I got. I was just in a 2nd hand shop and found it on tape for a coupkle of quid so I got it and boy, those first few minutes really hit the spot! It's the ideal album to wind down to. On to Thief, which the CD spine says it's live (as does Exit). I wondered 'Where's all the applause?' :-) Best tracks are Burning Bar (this has everything) and Scrap Yard. I was a bit disappointed with Trap Feeling (I expected it to build up and it never did) and Igneous (because it's a duplicate of Thru Metaphorpic Rocks). Overall a good one but not as good as aothers in the early 80s. 8/10 (Tangram id 10 and Cyclone is 3) Cheers James ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ Message: 5 Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 09:27:36 -0800 (PST) From: Attila Gyory Subject: JMJ At The Pyramids First of all: Happy New Year to all TD fans around the world! I also saw a 15 min. excerpt from the concert, and I wished I was there at the pyramids! Anyway, if you want to know more about it, check out http://www.jarre.com for details. Greetz Attila __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ Message: 6 Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 20:40:51 GMT From: 'Mike Valant' Subject: Chris Frankes London Concert Is Chris Frankes London Concert worthwhile? I sampled at Amazon, sounds good, how is the rest? I like the sound clips from Great Wall of China on TDIs website, very cool. see yaaa!!!!!!! wind ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ Message: 7 Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 21:51:44 +0100 From: 'Marcel Engels' Subject: RE: Chris Frankes London Concert > Is Chris Frankes London Concert worthwhile? I sampled at Amazon, sounds > good, how is the rest? Absolutely! Lots of sequencer work on it...even some old TD tracks, but also some of the best of Pacific Coast Highway... I say, but it. :-) Mars ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ Message: 8 Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 21:17:11 +0000 From: Antonio Nunes Subject: Re: Chris Frankes London Concert Mike Valant wrote: > > Is Chris Frankes London Concert worthwhile? I sampled at Amazon, sounds > good, how is the rest? It's the most TD-ish Chris Franke's solo album. Definitely worthwhile if you like TD from the 80s. Antonio Nunes np: Chris Franke - The London Concert (thanks for reminding me this great album!) ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ Message: 9 Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 21:38:08 -0000 From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' Subject: Re: What A Blast v. Architecture ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Steven Le Vine' To: Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2000 4:47 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] What A Blast v. Architecture > From: 'Steven Le Vine' > > Think they are re-releasing Dream Roots Collection or has it been readily > available? > Hey Steven I was looking at Dream roots collection today in a local store prced around £ 40.00 in the original packaging , so it is still kicking around over here. Give me a shout if I can be of help . Best regards Carl ' Orch ' # ICQ 38818818. ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ Message: 10 Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 16:46:00 EST From: AOutland@a... Subject: Re: Chris Frankes London Concert In a message dated 01/05/2000 3:49:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, fsp@w... writes: Actually, Mike Valant wrote this one: << Is Chris Frankes London Concert worthwhile? >> This is a very good album and I definitely advise getting it. This seems to be Franke's respectful farewell to Tangerine Dream while at the same time pointing out to his fans what his part was in that group. Many of the sounds he created are here, the tunes he must have inspired, the sequences that powerfully rolled through the Dream concerts. Kind of a 'Look at me: this is what I DID.' Once he got this concert out of his system he went on to create his own music without another look back. 8-) Dell ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ Message: 11 Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 23:25:54 +0100 From: 'Jens Peschke' Subject: Re: What A Blast v. Architecture From: Carl & Jacqui Kearney > Hey Steven I was looking at Dream roots collection today in a local store > prced around £ 40.00 in the original packaging , so it is still kicking > around over here. This *really* is overpriced. I bought mine for about 20 quid, dunno if it's still available and I stopped looking for CDs in local stores. Jens ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ Message: 12 Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 23:59:52 +0100 From: 'Maikel Aarts' Subject: TD lyrics Hi, Can someone point me to a website where I can find the lyrics of Alpha Centauri and Cyclone? Thanks in advance, Maikel Aarts ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ Message: 13 Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 23:39:17 -0000 From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' Subject: Re: What A Blast v. Architecture ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Jens Peschke' To: Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2000 10:25 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] What A Blast v. Architecture > From: Carl & Jacqui Kearney > > > Hey Steven I was looking at Dream roots collection today in a local store > > prced around £ 40.00 in the original packaging , so it is still kicking > > around over here. > > This *really* is overpriced. I bought mine for about 20 quid, Hi Jens Yeh I agree I just been looking around the Net and found several copies for around the £ 20.00 mark. Just shows it pays to look before you leap. Best regards Carl . ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ Message: 14 Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 23:05:40 -0600 From: 'Michael A Jean' Subject: RE: Dream Roots Price I paid 34 pounds while visiting London the week of its release... MJ > -----Original Message----- > From: Carl & Jacqui Kearney > [mailto:carl-jacqui@k...] > Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2000 5:39 PM > To: tadream@o... > Subject: Re: [tadream] What A Blast v. Architecture > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'Jens Peschke' > To: > Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2000 10:25 PM > Subject: Re: [tadream] What A Blast v. Architecture > > > > From: Carl & Jacqui Kearney > > > > > Hey Steven I was looking at Dream roots collection today in a local > store > > > prced around £ 40.00 in the original packaging , so it is > still kicking > > > around over here. > > > > This *really* is overpriced. I bought mine for about 20 quid, > > Hi Jens Yeh I agree I just been looking around the Net and found several > copies for around the £ 20.00 mark. > Just shows it pays to look before you leap. > Best regards Carl . > > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > GRAB THE GATOR! FREE SOFTWARE DOES ALL THE TYPING FOR YOU! > Tired of filling out forms and remembering passwords? Gator fills in > forms and passwords with just one click! Comes with $50 in free coupons! > Click Here > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > -- > Please practice listserv etiquette. To unsubscribe, e-mail > tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://tadream.copfer.com > > What are Chris Franke and Paul Haslinger up to these days? Find > out at http://www.haslinger.com and http://www.sonicimages.com/cf/! > ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ Message: 15 Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 23:05:42 -0600 From: 'Michael A Jean' Subject: RE: Grammy's, Anybody Listening? It seems Paul Horn always wins... > Category 39 - Best New Age Album > For solo artists, duos or groups, vocal or instrumental. > Compilation albums > by various artists are not eligible. > > Nominees > > > 1. Citizen Of The World > David Arkenstone > [Windham Hill Records] > > > 2. Turning > Suzanne Ciani > [Seventh Wave] > > > 3. Inside Monument Valley > Paul Horn & R. Carlos Nakai > [Canyon Records Productions] > > > 4. Inner Voices > R. Carlos Nakai > [Canyon Records Productions] > > > 5. Plains > George Winston > [Windham Hill Records] > > > 6. Celtic Solstice > Paul Winter & Friends > [Living Music] > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > Get great offers on top-notch products that match your interests! > Sign up for eLerts at: > Click Here > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Please practice listserv etiquette. To unsubscribe, e-mail > tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://tadream.copfer.com > > What are Chris Franke and Paul Haslinger up to these days? Find > out at http://www.haslinger.com and http://www.sonicimages.com/cf/! > ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ Message: 16 Date: Thu, 6 Jan 00 08:07:01 -0200 From: jjoy Subject: D:Soundtrack [Thief] Thief was one of the first TD albums I listened to. In that time (1988), I was renting CDs in the seek for something new, and as soon as I heard this together with Pergamon, Stratosfear and Rubycon, I was irrevocably in love with the band. The same awe that some describe as caused by Beach Scene I feel while listening to Diamond Diary (track 3)... Due to time restrictions, I will make comments for this track only. But be sure that I adore completely each other piece in this album, especially 'Scrap Yard' (which for a while was used as background in local TV), 'Igneous' and the haunting guitar solos in 'Dr. Destructo'. This one and Diamond Diary, specifically, have their spaciouness and vividness greatly enhanced by the SRS '3D virtual surround sound' effect created by my computer's sound circuitry (a relief, since my real sound system is presently disassembled...). Diamond Diary 2:17 - Starts slowly with layers of sequences forming a simple and driving rhythm 2:45 - Loud as Hell, stunning, rasping yet beautiful guitar chords 3:37 - Fantastic second sequencer-theme with reversed rhythm as in 'Pergamon part I' 5:00 - Music stops and accelerates like a speeding train 7:18 - After minutes of suspense, the beautiful loud guitar effects return and with them the blessed first theme 8:52 - Incredible keyboard line; one of the top moments of the band of all time... 9:35 - A premature ending leaves me sad. This track deserved to be twice its length... jjoy NP - Haslinger: Score, track 2 (sooo cool!) ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ Message: 17 Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 11:35:35 +0100 From: 'Heiko Heerßen' Subject: D: Soundtrack [Thief] There has been much praise about 'Thief' lately but for me it's definetly not their best soundtrack recording, despite the fact that the album features great tracks like 'Diamond diary' and 'Scrap yard'. I guess that I'm merely alone with my following opinion, but I find tracks like 'Beach scene/theme' or 'Dr. Destructo' way too simple and ordinary. Especially Beach scene/theme is too repetitive for my taste and I soon become bored when I listen to it. To me 'Firestarter' has to be the best TD soundtrack, the tracks 'Crystal voice' and 'Charly the kid' belong to the best that TD has ever made, followed by 'Wavelength' and 'Sorcerer'. Heiko n.p.: Redshift - live in Huizen 10.04.99 ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ Message: 18 Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 06:24:46 EST From: Synthhtnys@a... Subject: Re: D: Soundtrack [Thief] suspect that is more nostalgia than objectiv In a message dated 1/6/2000 10:24:45 AM !!!First Boot!!!, heiko.heerssen@h... writes: << To me 'Firestarter' has to be the best TD soundtrack, the tracks 'Crystal voice' and 'Charly the kid' belong to the best that TD has ever made, followed by 'Wavelength' and 'Sorcerer'. Heiko >> * I agree totally about the Firestarter tracks. Those are my favorites also. I'd put Sorcerer first personally, but suspect that's more nostalgia than actual music content.... Sorcerer was the second TD I bought, when it came out. Poly ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ Message: 19 Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 13:33:12 -0000 From: 'Simon Slator' Subject: New Project song - As The Clocks Struck Midnight I've uploaded a new song to MP3.COM and it'll be verified in the next few days. The song, intended for the forthcoming Project 4 (due around March/April), has been uploaded in demo form and for hi-fi or lo-fi streaming only (I don't want it downloaded due to potential bootleggers). I've called the song 'As The Clocks Struck Midnight', it runs for about 4:30 and sounds very electrifying! There's a rather ambient opening, Klaus Schulze-style drumming and an epic finale. Bear in mind, this is only a pre-release demo and sounds a little rough around the edges. Any feedback, please let me know. Thanks Simon. ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ From: 'Mike Valant' Date: Fri Jan 7, 2000 12:54 am Subject: Re: fave albums > >Ok, since people have been voying for threr fave TD albums by period, >here's >mine > >Pink Years: Green Desert (only real option) >Virgin: Tangram >Blue: Poland >Other: Optical Race (only one I have but brilliant) >Live: Poland (or maybe Ricochet or Logos) >If I had to pick one it'll be Poland > >Cheers > >James Heres my fav. TD : 1. Ricochet 2. Logos 3. Encore 4. White Eagle not listed in eras, but as favorites, RICOCHET rules forever!!!!!!!!!! teepee man Mike ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From: Flemming Larsen Date: (Date Unavailable) Subject: Re: Sony Topping Off MPEG video Rainer Rutka wrote: >> Just recieved the Sony Topping Out CD with MPEG >Yes it is a rarity. I made this cd last year. If you want to see some >pictures goto my td-site: www.rutka.de/td I will do that. I really need the cover art, so I hope you have it on your homepage. Peter Ravn suggested I should have a look at your homepage ;-) FGL From: Joel Mullen Date: Thu Jan 6, 2000 7:16 pm Subject: some Poland CD versions On Thursday, January 06, 2000 8:45 AM, James Chapman [SMTP:darklight95@h...] wrote: > I have a few questions. > > 1. Are there different CDs of the Poland album? I had already bought one > when I saw another with different fonts. > > The one I have runs for 77:06 with tracks: > 1. Poland > 2. Tangent > 3. Barbakane > 4. Horizon > > Does the other one have any extra tracks? Here is a list of all the Poland CDs I have. There are a number out there that I do NOT have, but other than catalog numbers they will be similar to one of those below. Where applicable I put in the actual track times next to the published track times. Let me know if you have any questions. (I have sent this out before in case it looks familiar to some of you. It seems this question comes up every 6 months or so ) Pay close attention to the first entry for the 'rare bird' track. It is not indicated on the CD notes, but it is there on the CD as an extra indexed track. Nothing to get too excited about as it is included at the end of 'Tangent' (look at the track times) Regards, Joel ****************************************** POLAND:The Warsaw Concert Relativity 88561-8045-2 (1984 USA) ****************************************** 2CD set, blue & black printing on silver CDs, color cover Total time both CDs - 81:47 (actual) Tracks ******** Listed tracks--- Disc 1-- (1) Poland (22:29) (2) Tangent (19:59) Disc 2-- (1) Barbakane (18:00) (2) Horizon (21:07) Actual tracks--- Disc 1-- (1) Poland (22:37) (2) Tangent(15:53) (3) Rare Bird (4:01) Disc 2-- (1) Barbakane (18:05) (2) Horizon (21:10) ****************************************** POLAND:The Warsaw Concert Relativity 88561-8045-2 (1984 USA) ****************************************** 2CD set, brown & black printing on silver CDs, color cover Total time both CDs - 81:45 (actual) Tracks ******** Disc 1-- (1) Poland (22:29) (actual 22:36) (2) Tangent (19:59) (actual 19:55) Disc 2-- (1) Barbakane (18:00) (actual 18:04) (2) Horizon (21:07) (actual 21:10) *************************************************** POLAND:The Warsaw Concert (remastered) Sequel 1044-2 (1996 USA) *************************************************** 1CD set, white printing on a blue-green CD, color cover Total time - 77:04 (actual) Tracks ******** Disc 1-- (1) Poland (22:00) (actual 22:26) (2) Tangent (19:52) (actual 19:55) (3) Barbakane (13:49) (actual 19:53) (4) Horizon (20:49) (actual 20:50) *************************************************** POLAND:The Warsaw Concert (remastered) Castle ESM CD 365 (1996 England) *************************************************** 1CD set, silver printing on a blue-green CD, color cover Total time - 77:04 (actual) Tracks ******** Disc 1-- (1) Poland (22:00) (actual 22:26) (2) Tangent (19:52) (actual 19:55) (3) Barbakane (13:49) (actual 19:53) (4) Horizon (20:49) (actual 20:50) **************************************************** Extracts from POLAND:The Warsaw Concert Jive Electro 8.26099 (1984 W. Germany) **************************************************** 1CD set, blue printing on a silver CD, color cover Total time - 57:16 (actual) Tracks ******** Disc 1-- (1) Poland (22:00) (actual 22:28) (2) Barbakane (13:53) (actual 13:55) (3) Horizon (20:52) (actual 20:52) **************************************************** Extracts from POLAND:The Warsaw Concert Jive CHIP 22 (19?? Austria) **************************************************** 1CD set, black printing on a silver CD, b/w cover Total time - 57:14 (actual) Tracks ******** Disc 1-- (1) Poland (actual 22:25) (2) Barbakane (actual 13:56) (3) Horizon (actual 20:53) **no track times listed, times are off the CD player** **************************************************** Extracts from POLAND:The Warsaw Concert Jive CHIP 22 (19?? Austria) **************************************************** 1CD set, black printing on a *24k gold* CD, b/w cover Total time - 57:14 (actual) Tracks ******** Disc 1-- (1) Poland (actual 22:25) (2) Barbakane (actual 13:56) (3) Horizon (actual 20:53) **no track times listed, times are off the CD player** ********************************************** POLAND:The Warsaw Concert no catalog number (Russian Counterfeit) ********************************************** 1CD set, silver/black printing on a purple CD, color cover This is a reproduction of either the Castle or Sequel remaster Total time - 77:04 (actual) Tracks ******** Disc 1-- (1) Poland (22:00) (actual 22:26) (2) Tangent (19:52) (actual 19:55) (3) Barbakane (13:49) (actual 19:53) (4) Horizon (20:49) (actual 20:50) From: Joel Mullen Date: Thu Jan 6, 2000 7:27 pm Subject: some Poland CD versions (REVISED!) No sooner did I send this out I noticed that there was a mistake in the track times for Barbakane for the Castle/ Sequel remasters. Times should be 13:53 (actual) *not* 19.53. This track is basically the one that gets 'cut' down from the 2 CD version to the Castle/Sequel remasters. This shortened track also appears on the 'Extracts' releases (which also have the entire Tangent/Rarebird track removed) So if you can't get the 2 CD version get the remastered one as it is closest to the original LP version. That way you are only missing about 4 min 40 sec instead of 24 minutes 30 sec. Sorry for the double post. (revisions were made below) On Thursday, January 06, 2000 8:45 AM, James Chapman [SMTP:darklight95@h...] wrote: > I have a few questions. > > 1. Are there different CDs of the Poland album? I had already bought one > when I saw another with different fonts. > > The one I have runs for 77:06 with tracks: > 1. Poland > 2. Tangent > 3. Barbakane > 4. Horizon > > Does the other one have any extra tracks? Here is a list of all the Poland CDs I have. There are a number out there that I do NOT have, but other than catalog numbers they will be similar to one of those below. Where applicable I put in the actual track times next to the published track times. Let me know if you have any questions. (I have sent this out before in case it looks familiar to some of you. It seems this question comes up every 6 months or so ) Pay close attention to the first entry for the 'rare bird' track. It is not indicated on the CD notes, but it is there on the CD as an extra indexed track. Nothing to get too excited about as it is included at the end of 'Tangent' (look at the track times) Regards, Joel ****************************************** POLAND:The Warsaw Concert Relativity 88561-8045-2 (1984 USA) ****************************************** 2CD set, blue & black printing on silver CDs, color cover Total time both CDs - 81:47 (actual) Tracks ******** Listed tracks--- Disc 1-- (1) Poland (22:29) (2) Tangent (19:59) Disc 2-- (1) Barbakane (18:00) (2) Horizon (21:07) Actual tracks--- Disc 1-- (1) Poland (22:37) (2) Tangent(15:53) (3) Rare Bird (4:01) Disc 2-- (1) Barbakane (18:05) (2) Horizon (21:10) ****************************************** POLAND:The Warsaw Concert Relativity 88561-8045-2 (1984 USA) ****************************************** 2CD set, brown & black printing on silver CDs, color cover Total time both CDs - 81:45 (actual) Tracks ******** Disc 1-- (1) Poland (22:29) (actual 22:36) (2) Tangent (19:59) (actual 19:55) Disc 2-- (1) Barbakane (18:00) (actual 18:04) (2) Horizon (21:07) (actual 21:10) *************************************************** POLAND:The Warsaw Concert (remastered) Sequel 1044-2 (1996 USA) *************************************************** 1CD set, white printing on a blue-green CD, color cover Total time - 77:04 (actual) Tracks ******** Disc 1-- (1) Poland (22:00) (actual 22:26) (2) Tangent (19:52) (actual 19:55) (3) Barbakane (13:49) (actual 13:53) (4) Horizon (20:49) (actual 20:50) *************************************************** POLAND:The Warsaw Concert (remastered) Castle ESM CD 365 (1996 England) *************************************************** 1CD set, silver printing on a blue-green CD, color cover Total time - 77:04 (actual) Tracks ******** Disc 1-- (1) Poland (22:00) (actual 22:26) (2) Tangent (19:52) (actual 19:55) (3) Barbakane (13:49) (actual 13:53) (4) Horizon (20:49) (actual 20:50) **************************************************** Extracts from POLAND:The Warsaw Concert Jive Electro 8.26099 (1984 W. Germany) **************************************************** 1CD set, blue printing on a silver CD, color cover Total time - 57:16 (actual) Tracks ******** Disc 1-- (1) Poland (22:00) (actual 22:28) (2) Barbakane (13:53) (actual 13:55) (3) Horizon (20:52) (actual 20:52) **************************************************** Extracts from POLAND:The Warsaw Concert Jive CHIP 22 (19?? Austria) **************************************************** 1CD set, black printing on a silver CD, b/w cover Total time - 57:14 (actual) Tracks ******** Disc 1-- (1) Poland (actual 22:25) (2) Barbakane (actual 13:56) (3) Horizon (actual 20:53) **no track times listed, times are off the CD player** **************************************************** Extracts from POLAND:The Warsaw Concert Jive CHIP 22 (19?? Austria) **************************************************** 1CD set, black printing on a *24k gold* CD, b/w cover Total time - 57:14 (actual) Tracks ******** Disc 1-- (1) Poland (actual 22:25) (2) Barbakane (actual 13:56) (3) Horizon (actual 20:53) **no track times listed, times are off the CD player** ********************************************** POLAND:The Warsaw Concert no catalog number (Russian Counterfeit) ********************************************** 1CD set, silver/black printing on a purple CD, color cover This is a reproduction of either the Castle or Sequel remaster Total time - 77:04 (actual) Tracks ******** Disc 1-- (1) Poland (22:00) (actual 22:26) (2) Tangent (19:52) (actual 19:55) (3) Barbakane (13:49) (actual 13:53) (4) Horizon (20:49) (actual 20:50) From: Rainer Rutka Date: Thu Jan 6, 2000 8:29 pm Subject: Re: Re: Sony Topping Off MPEG video On Thu, 6 Jan 2000, Flemming Larsen wrote: > Rainer Rutka wrote: > >> Just recieved the Sony Topping Out CD with MPEG > >Yes it is a rarity. I made this cd last year. If you want to see some > >pictures goto my td-site: www.rutka.de/td > I will do that. I really need the cover art, so I hope you have > it on your homepage. Peter Ravn suggested I should have a look at your > homepage ;-) > FGL OK! I'll copy a bigger picture from the artwork during the weekend. So everybody can download the covers. Stay tuned. BTW: There's a SOUNDSAMPLE on the Topping-Out-Video page. Just click onto the soundsample-icon. Have fun.. Rainer - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - www.rutka.de/td - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Fri Jan 7, 2000 5:22 am Subject: Re: SV: some questions >Hello James. > >> I have a few questions. >> >> 1. Are there different CDs of the Poland album? I had already bought one >> when I saw another with different fonts. >> >> The one I have runs for 77:06 with tracks: >> 1. Poland >> 2. Tangent >> 3. Barbakane >> 4. Horizon >> >> Does the other one have any extra tracks? >** No, but the Tangent track is longer on the Relativity 2CD release. That CD release have the same lenght of tracks as the original LP. There's also a CD called Excerpts from Poland (or something like that) with only three tracks. Yeah. Along with White Eagle, Extracts from Poland was the first TD CD I bought. It has the tracks Poland, Barbakane and Horizon. I of course didn't know there was this Tangent track, until I saw the little line written Extracts from Poland - The Warsaw Concert (the cover of this CD is identical to the original, except for the word Extracts from, the different type of letter used in the title of the CD, and the color. Extracts is B/W and the complete CD is blue-green. >(...) Although I prefer the not remastered versions. Maybe >they have a bit more noise, and not as deep bass, but the music sound much >more alive in my opinion. This may seem silly, but I like the not remastered versions because most of them are CDs made in 1984 !!! White Eagle is the oldest CD I have, it's 16 years old now! I'm only about 2 years older than it! And it sounds great, and it's in mint conditions. There's also a good point about the not remastered versions: they have the other pictures that were in the LPs, and the definitive editions don't have them, like the inside picture of Rubycon. Why did Virgin do that? Those pictures are so interesting. gfj --- Gustavo F. Jobim gustavfj@m... gustavofj@h... From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Fri Jan 7, 2000 10:07 am Subject: Re : Jarre 'Twelve Dreams of the Sun' Hi all, A little off-subject I know, but I've seen a few messages flying around on this subject on tadream already, and I'm sure some of you will be interested: I don't know how much of the Jarre concert in Egypt was shown on TV in various countries around the world, but a whole three hours of it was broadcast here in France, including a 'making of' documentary and interview with Jarre (in his mother tongue of course!). Needless to say I taped it, and I may be able to make copies of it in NTSC and SECAM formats for those of you in the States for example. Is there anyone out there who would be willing to swap this for CD-Rs of TD bootlegs (please send lists)? Regards Paul From: 'tom george' Date: Fri Jan 7, 2000 1:21 pm Subject: infinite horizons i received this double cd a few weeks ago and i highly recommend it. it is limited to 1000 copies. it contains 2 cds over 1 hour each containing unreleased music from some of our favorite artists. here is the track listing. Christopher Franke-'Metaphonic Chronicles' 7.42 Star Sounds Orchestra-'Anakant' 10.16 Roedelius-'Sinfonia Contempora Nr. 3' 8.21 Lightwave-'The Lowell's Vision (Live)' 4.55 Klaus Kruger-'Gumbo 94' 5.22 Klaus Kruger-'Syndrum 2E' 1.43 Keller/Schonwalder-'Teutonisches Wuten (Live)10.25 Conrad Schnitzler-'00/109-12' 3.42 Propeller Island-'One Idea Gives a Thousand Thoughts' 11.02 Michael Hoenig-'The Vertical Rotating Horizon (Live)' 7.13 Conrad Schnitzler-'00/110-6' 4.05 Jorg Thomasius-'Sitarius Afi III' 7.36 Lightwave-'Martian Cycles (Live)' 7.27 Johannes Schmoelling-'Lamentation of an Ancient Tree' 8.08 Namlook/Gordon-'She Ship' 11.21 Conrad Schnitzler-'00/110-8' 3.44 Klaus Kruger-'11x17' 3.12 Jolliffe & Jolliffe-'Live at the Bell' this cd is great. the Franke track is like no other he has done. the Roedelius & Schmoelling tracks are superb. you can get this at the horizon website. highly recommended. tom Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20192 Re: infinite horizons Bert.Hulshoff@N... Fri 1/7/2000 3 KB 20193 Re: infinite horizons Snowdog747@a... Fri 1/7/2000 1 KB 20196 Re: infinite horizons tom george Fri 1/7/2000 1 KB From: Bert.Hulshoff@N... Date: Fri Jan 7, 2000 1:24 pm Subject: RE: infinite horizons Can you tell me the name of this album, and the recordcompany? Greetings Bert > ---------- > From: tom george[SMTP:eloy-usa@a...] > Sent: Friday, January 07, 2000 14:21 > To: tadream@o... > Subject: [tadream] infinite horizons > > > i received this double cd a few weeks ago and i highly recommend it. it is > limited to 1000 copies. it contains 2 cds over 1 hour each containing > unreleased music from some of our favorite artists. here is the track > listing. > > Christopher Franke-'Metaphonic Chronicles' 7.42 > Star Sounds Orchestra-'Anakant' 10.16 > Roedelius-'Sinfonia Contempora Nr. 3' 8.21 > Lightwave-'The Lowell's Vision (Live)' 4.55 > Klaus Kruger-'Gumbo 94' 5.22 > Klaus Kruger-'Syndrum 2E' 1.43 > Keller/Schonwalder-'Teutonisches Wuten (Live)10.25 > Conrad Schnitzler-'00/109-12' 3.42 > Propeller Island-'One Idea Gives a Thousand Thoughts' 11.02 > Michael Hoenig-'The Vertical Rotating Horizon (Live)' 7.13 > Conrad Schnitzler-'00/110-6' 4.05 > Jorg Thomasius-'Sitarius Afi III' 7.36 > Lightwave-'Martian Cycles (Live)' 7.27 > Johannes Schmoelling-'Lamentation of an Ancient Tree' 8.08 > Namlook/Gordon-'She Ship' 11.21 > Conrad Schnitzler-'00/110-8' 3.44 > Klaus Kruger-'11x17' 3.12 > Jolliffe & Jolliffe-'Live at the Bell' > > > this cd is great. the Franke track is like no other he has done. the > Roedelius & Schmoelling tracks are superb. you can get this at the horizon > website. highly recommended. > tom > > > > Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > Get great offers on top-notch products that match your interests! > Sign up for eLerts at: > Click Here > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Please practice listserv etiquette. To unsubscribe, e-mail > tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://tadream.copfer.com > > What are Chris Franke and Paul Haslinger up to these days? Find out at > http://www.haslinger.com and http://www.sonicimages.com/cf/! > From: Snowdog747@a... Date: Fri Jan 7, 2000 1:44 pm Subject: Re: infinite horizons In a message dated 1/7/00 8:22:41 AM US Eastern Standard Time, eloy-usa@a... writes: << you can get this at the horizon website. >> Can you post the website address. thanks From: 'James Chapman' Date: Fri Jan 7, 2000 8:51 pm Subject: favourite albums Along the thread of top 10 of the 90s, I don't really think I can do that, but I'll do a top 10 of all time. I don't even own any TD from the 90s so it would be rather pointless for me to try... Top 10 TD: 1. Poland (2 albums for the price of 1) :-) 2. Tangram 3. Exit 4. White Eagle 5. Stratosfear 6. Force Majeure 7. Underwater Sunlight 8. Optical Race 9. Logos 10. Ricochet Top 10 non TD (I'll restrict myself to 1 per artist) 1. Gary Numan - Strange Charm 2. Kraftwerk - Man-Machine 3. David Bowie - Low 4. J-M Jarre - Equinoxe 5. Pet Shop Boys - Alternative (B-sides compilation) 6. New Order -Substance 1987 7. Simple Minds - New Gold Dream 8. Human League - Dare 9. Depeche Mode - Construction Time Again 10. Heaven 17 - The Luxury Gap There you go - more 80s synthpop than anything else. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20195 favourite albums Heiko Heerßen Fri 1/7/2000 1 KB From: 'Heiko Heerßen' Date: Fri Jan 7, 2000 2:13 pm Subject: favourite albums Regarding the Top Ten electronic albums of all time (well, of the 20th century..), here are the results of the Heiko jury: 1.) Popol Vuh: In the gardens of Pharao (1972) ..... ..... ..... 2.) TD: Tangram (1980) 3.) Klaus Schulze: Mirage (1977) 4.) The Residents: Eskimo (1979) 5.) Tonto's Expanding Head Band: Zero time (1971) 6.) TD: Rubycon (1975) 7.) TD: Richochet (1975) 8.) TD: Logos (1982) 9.) Kraftwerk: The man machine (1978) 10.) Klaus Schulze: Timewind (1975) From: 'tom george' Date: Fri Jan 7, 2000 2:52 pm Subject: RE: infinite horizons -- hi bert, the name of the compilation is 'Infinite Horizons' and you can find it at www.hmnetwork.com On Fri, 7 Jan 2000 14:24:33 Bert.Hulshoff wrote: > >Can you tell me the name of this album, and the recordcompany? > >Greetings >Bert Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com From: Gustavo Jobim I paid 34 pounds while visiting London the week of its release... > >MJ Dream Roots is that 5 CD collection right? It's been for sale in a local store for R$ 156.00 (equivalent to 86.67 dollars, considering US$ 1 = R$ 1.80). --- Gustavo F. Jobim gustavfj@m... gustavofj@h... From: 'Michael A Jean' > Hello James. > > > I have a few questions. > >> > > > 3. Are the tracks 'The Dream Is Always The Same' and 'Love on a > Real Train' > > that appear on Dream Sequence appear anywhere else, because > they aren't on > > any other Virgin album. > ** They are from the soundtrack Risky Business, and that is > indeed a Virgin album. It was available both on CD and vinyl once > upon a time. I think Groove Unlimited keep the CD in stock. Check > at www.groove.nl . > From: Gustavo Jobim There has been much praise about 'Thief' lately but for me it's >definetly not their best soundtrack recording, despite the fact that the >album features great tracks like 'Diamond diary' and 'Scrap yard'. I >guess that I'm merely alone with my following opinion, but I find tracks >like 'Beach scene/theme' or 'Dr. Destructo' way too simple and ordinary. The only Thief tracks I have are Beach Scene/Theme and Scrap Yard. I like them, but not so much. I prefer playing some Pergamon, or White Eagle. --- Gustavo F. Jobim gustavfj@m... gustavofj@h... From: Gustavo Jobim From: 'Craig Chambers' From: John Mcintyre > Note that Kraftwerk never did any soundtracks. ;) Their _Radioactivity_ album was featured in the 1979 movie _Radio On_. John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre@p... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20205 Re: Kraftwerk 2 - Electric Boogaloo Gustavo Jobim Fri 1/7/2000 1 KB From: 'Jared White' Okay, I am guilty of owning this CD since release (4 years ago?) and > probably only listening to it once or twice, with the impression that is was > somewhat mediocre. I kept it, thought it was nice, and simply moved on. Heh, well at least you thought it was just 'nice'. I forget who said this some time ago (I think maybe it was on the old UWP list), but it was something like Goblin's Club was 'the worst album of the genre'. Uh...I could think of a few million other nominations. ;) > Well, I was just straightening up my collection and decided to pop this in > the player. Still no lasting impression until track 5 'United Goblin's > Parade'. Man this song is GREAT! This has one of EF's best guitar > performances since Tyger. So I started listening more intently and the rest > of the songs seem pretty well crafted also. So I am listening to it again, > and well, yeah I kinda like this CD. Kinda like? KINDA like? OK, shouldn't push it too far this time.... > So I guess I should listen more intently more often, huh? Just some > thoughts... Er, yeah, good idea! > Craig Chambers > NP: GC (again, for the second very first time!) And if anyone here doesn't think Towards the Evening Star should make it to the top 10 ten best EM tunes of all time, just watch out for flying pies! Take care, Jared From: 'Craig Chambers' > and well, yeah I kinda like this CD. > >Kinda like? KINDA like? OK, shouldn't push it too far this time.... Okay, you are correct sir! This will get more rotation in my system. You know, I even think my wife might enjoy this one...she is really into just about everything between Optical Race and Turn of the Tides. She is into the 'lighter' side of Dreaming ( ;-) no offense Jared). I had kept this one tucked away in my office, thinking she would not really want more same 'ol same 'ol. Hmmm, maybe I will tell her it is a new one... >And if anyone here doesn't think Towards the Evening Star should make it to >the top 10 ten best EM tunes of all time, just watch out for flying pies! Yeah its good...but top 10? Ever? That may be a bit of a stretch! NP: Toronto 6/21/86 (Thanks Tom!) This is quickly becoming my favorite '86 show. From: Gustavo Jobim > > Note that Kraftwerk never did any soundtracks. ;) The size of Kraft's discography is inversely proportional to the size of their influence in music. --- Gustavo F. Jobim gustavfj@m... gustavofj@h... From: Richard Ford Especially Beach scene/theme is too repetitive for my taste and I soon >become bored when I listen to it. >To me 'Firestarter' has to be the best TD soundtrack, the tracks >'Crystal voice' and 'Charly the kid' belong to the best that TD has ever >made, followed by 'Wavelength' and 'Sorcerer'. I have to agree about Firestarter. I recorded 'Charley the Kid' last year as I think this is one of the most beautiful melody's they have ever written. I also agree about 'Wavelength'. There are some good tracks in there. Perhaps I might have a go at something from it 'when' I finish Poland. -- Richard Ford From: Richard Ford , Gustavo Jobim writes >Hey! > >I'm starting to explore Klaus Schulze albums. Still didn't buy any, but I >already listened to Moondawn and Dig It bits. I listened to Dig It >yesterday, and I kinda liked it. > >What do you think of this album? Is it one of the top KS favourites, along >with Timewind and Moondawn and X and some others? > >--- >Gustavo F. Jobim >gustavfj@m... >gustavofj@h... Digit , X and Babel (with Andreas Grosser) are my faves. By the way, I never see Babel mentioned. Anyone else have any views on the 1 track 59 minute album -- Richard Ford From: SCRIBE1964@xxx.xxx Date: Fri Jan 7, 2000 11:17 pm Subject: Re: Goblin's Club comments > . . . Still no lasting impression until track 5 'United Goblin's > Parade'. Man this song is GREAT! This has one of EF's best guitar > performances since Tyger. . . . . I'm glad someone else likes this track. It's my favorite from this album. For some reason I can't explain, it reminds me of early eighties TD. I can't say I care much for the rest of CD, though. -Scribe From: 'Pergamon' And if anyone here doesn't think Towards the Evening Star should make it to > the top 10 ten best EM tunes of all time, just watch out for flying pies! > Hehe... sorry, Jared, I don't think it should be there.......be gentle, don't throw to many pies Jan From: 'Michael A Jean' From: Mike Valant [mailto:windwalker422@h...] > Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2000 9:21 PM > From: 'Mike Valant' > > Also i hear TDI released Canyon Dreams with one extra track which > wasnt on > Miramars, so again is this extra track worth it here as well. > > From: Gustavo Jobim And if anyone here doesn't think Towards the Evening Star should make it to >the top 10 ten best EM tunes of all time, just watch out for flying pies! > >Take care, > >Jared I think I said this before, but i got this towards track and I like it. --- Gustavo F. Jobim gustavfj@m... gustavofj@h... From: Synthhtnys@xxx.xxx Date: Sat Jan 8, 2000 9:02 am Subject: Re: Dig It In a message dated 1/7/2000 11:09:40 PM !!!First Boot!!!, richard@z... writes: << By the way, I never see Babel mentioned. Anyone else have any views on the 1 track 59 minute album -- Richard Ford >> * I enjot it, but feel it falls under 'aquired taste', rather than essential K.S....... Poly From: 'Craig Chambers' Digit , X and Babel (with Andreas Grosser) are my faves. I would throw in 'En=Trance' also. This the point where KS best showed his mastery of the 'digital' only repetoire. Plus at 70+ minutes it ain't a bad deal (compared to some 40ish minute offerings from someone else in the same time frame). I imagine this was originally a double LP. >By the way, I never see Babel mentioned. Anyone else have any views on >the 1 track 59 minute album I like 'Babel' alot. Without going back and checking, I recall that the main theme appears regularly in KS's live output or at least in other recordings...(Audentity?) Anyway, I remember that theme as being one of my favorites which is developed and varied upon mercilessly throughout. Yeah, I might go listen to that now. Craig Chambers GRTP 'Babel' From: 'Jim Moore' From: Felna Greymane Subject: Re: RE: Dream Roots Price > >At 23:05 05/01/2000 -0600, you wrote: >>I paid 34 pounds while visiting London the week of its release... >> >>MJ > >Dream Roots is that 5 CD collection right? > >It's been for sale in a local store for R$ 156.00 (equivalent to 86.67 >dollars, considering US$ 1 = R$ 1.80). Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20225 Re: Digest Number 352 Gustavo Jobim Sun 1/9/2000 1 KB From: Snowdog747@xxx.xxx Date: Sat Jan 8, 2000 6:31 pm Subject: Re: Great Wall: Maybe it *IS* available... Just ordered 'Great Wall Of China' through amazon.com. They say it is available to ship. which usually indicated it will be in the mailbox within 3-4 days...can't wait....i hope Ben np:heartbreaker soundtrack From: 'Mike Valant' From: 'Thomas' > Gustavo Jobim writes: > >I'm starting to explore Klaus Schulze albums. Still didn't buy any, but I already listened to Moondawn and Dig It bits. I listened to Dig It yesterday, and I kinda liked it. > >What do you think of this album? Is it one of the top KS favourites, along with Timewind and Moondawn and X and some others? > >Gustavo F. Jobim ---------------------------------------------------- > Richard Ford writes: > Digit , X and Babel (with Andreas Grosser) are my faves. > By the way, I never see Babel mentioned. Anyone else have any views on the 1 track 59 minute album > Richard Ford ---------------------------------------------------- Hi! Digit and X are both great, but I've never heard Babel. I am however very surprised that noone has brought up 'Timewind' yet. That really is a Schulze classic, and is worth having in any emusic collection. Also 'Mirage' and 'Moondawn' are fantastic! Just thought I'd chip that in! Thomas Helsingborg, Sweden From: Steven Feldman Date: Sun Jan 9, 2000 3:46 am Subject: Gee, I Didn't Know That For a giggle or two or three (hee hee), go to the following URL: and you'll see an overly positive overview of the band which says, among other things: 'They practically invented new age and ambient music, and synth-pop groups like Kraftwerk and Devo are direct descendants-- [. . .]' Here's the whole entry: |Tangerine Dream | |Biography | |Formed 1967 in Germany | |The influence Tangerine Dream has had upon modern music cannot be |overstated; everything from pop, to modern movie scores have all been |influenced by Tangerine Dream. They practically invented new age and |ambient music, and synth-pop groups like Kraftwerk and Devo are direct |descendants-- anyone that uses electronic instruments to create music |owns some debt to Tangerine Dream. For an concept band their range is |massive: early material can sound like anything from textured space |odysseys to synthesized classical music, while recent albums explore a |variety of music from structured pop songs to cutting-edge techno. No |matter what the sound, Tangerine Dream has always understood how to |manipulate their instruments to the fullest degree and that's why after |almost 30 years they can still craft well-made, innovative records. | | Source: MusicHound Rock: The Essential Album Guide (Visible Ink Press) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20220 Re: Gee, I Didn't Know That Jared White Sun 1/9/2000 1 KB 20237 Re: Gee, I Didn't Know That Heiko Heerßen Mon 1/10/2000 1 KB From: Jared White Date: Sun Jan 9, 2000 5:47 am Subject: Re: Gee, I Didn't Know That > From: Steven Feldman > > For a giggle or two or three (hee hee), go to the following URL: > obidos/ts/artist-biography/131404/103-6412083-2851856> and you'll see > an overly positive overview of the band which says, among other things: > > 'They practically invented new age and ambient music, and synth-pop > groups like Kraftwerk and Devo are direct descendants-- [. . .]' > > Here's the whole entry: Wow, that's a great bio. So, OK, perhaps there are a few slight errors in there. At least it's better than the 'they did all this great stuff in the early days of synths, yada yada....oh, yeah, they're still doing some stuff, almost forgot....'-type bios I often see round the Net. :) Later, Jared From: Mario Pacheco Date: Sun Jan 9, 2000 8:04 am Subject: OT: Now looking for Peter van Dam Hello all, If you know the email of Peter van Dam, some of you may remember him, please email it to me privately. Thanks. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From: kupczyk@p... Date: Sun Jan 9, 2000 11:35 am Subject: Great Wall of China Seems many of You awaits for the Great Wall of China. Do not expect a lot from this production. In my opinion just a another soundtrack from TD with just one or two track which You are going to remember for few hours. I can not hear on it any connection with the far east as I was expecting. That would made the record interesting. For all of You who do not buy everything they release - try it before You buy it. Regards Michael Sopot, Poland Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20226 Re: Great Wall of China Vic Rek Sun 1/9/2000 1 KB 20309 Re: Great Wall of China Gabe Yedid Fri 1/14/2000 3 KB 20319 Re: Great Wall of China Gustavo Jobim Fri 1/14/2000 2 KB 20322 Re: Great Wall of China joe shoults Fri 1/14/2000 2 KB 21194 Great Wall of China izyrp@o... Sat 3/11/2000 2 KB 21212 new collectors item found! Rainer Rutka Mon 3/13/2000 2 KB 22190 Great Wall of China Owens, James E Thu 4/27/2000 2 KB 22196 Re: Great Wall of China Nigbur D Fri 4/28/2000 3 KB 22197 Auction of TD, Schulze and related CD's Kees Fri 4/28/2000 2 KB From: 'Lawry Simm' Date: Sun Jan 9, 2000 12:15 pm Subject: Discussion Week 17 - Sunday 9th January 2000 Sorry this reminder is a day late... couldn't get online yesterday. This week bring us to the studio album 'EXIT'. Please make your subject read 'D:Studio [Exit]' Samples can be found at http://www.tangerinedream.de/samples/exit1.ram http://www.tangerinedream.de/samples/exit2.ram http://www.tangerinedream.de/samples/exit3.ram Regards, Lawry lawrysimm@u... ICQ # 23267226 Instant Messenger - lawrysimm From: Nigelsan@xxx.xxx Date: Sun Jan 9, 2000 4:43 pm Subject: Re: KS - Beyond Recall? Hi there, Beyond recal is not my FAVORITE KS disc but I do play it once in a while. It is very much in the Festival hall style (same material???). I saw him at the festival hall and it has to be said that the first half of the concert was better on CD than live!! Babel on the other hand gets played more. Very repetative piano motives and very listenable in the trance style. Personally my favorite is Into the blue. (today anyway) Has anyone received their Ultimate edition sets yet?????????? Take care y'all from Canada Nigel From: Gustavo Jobim Ewouch!!!! I'd do some serious pricing around on it. I got mine off one >of the net sites (I think CDNow) for just under $50 US. > >Jeff The problem is that there's many things involved in this price. There's import taxes, national taxes, more taxes, the store profit, etc. I think the best way to buy this kind of expensivo dreams is really online. --- Gustavo F. Jobim gustavfj@m... gustavofj@h... From: Vic Rek Seems many of You awaits for the Great Wall of China. > Do not expect a lot from this production. In my opinion just a another > soundtrack from TD with just one or two track which You are going to remember > for few hours. I can not hear on it any connection with the far east as I was > expecting. That would made the record interesting. I just played this CD this morning and I really like it, even though you are right that I do not hear any oriental influences. My top 3 favorite tracks from the CD are: 1. Meng Tian 2. Cradle of Prodigies 3. Tiger Forest Vic From: Vic Rek From: 'Michael A Jean' -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Valant [mailto:windwalker422@h...] > Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2000 2:21 PM > To: tadream@o... > Subject: [tadream] KS - Beyond Recall? > > > From: 'Mike Valant' > > Someone please fill me in on KS's Beyond Recall, is this one > worthwhile? I > read on his website this one, he used sampling for the first > time... Also > Babel, any info on that would be cool..... > > truce > > mike > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > GRAB THE GATOR! FREE SOFTWARE DOES ALL THE TYPING FOR YOU! > Tired of filling out forms and remembering passwords? Gator fills in > forms and passwords with just one click! Comes with $50 in free coupons! > Click Here > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Please practice listserv etiquette. To unsubscribe, e-mail > tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://tadream.copfer.com > > What are Chris Franke and Paul Haslinger up to these days? Find > out at http://www.haslinger.com and http://www.sonicimages.com/cf/! > From: 'Joe Shoults' -----Original Message----- > From: Vic Rek [mailto:torque19@i...] > Subject: [tadream] Signale Aus Der Swabischen Strasse > I have been looking for a good copy of the movie from German TV titled: > 'Signale Aus Der Swabischen Strasse'. I have a airplay date of May 23, > 1976. A good tape copy would do and I will provide a generous trade. > The one I have has many fade-outs/drop-outs which makes it hard to > listen to, but still interesting (from Virtual Files 76-12). Vic From: Grant M Somerville From: 'Mike Valant' > > Hello > > If anyone is interested in some excellent TD like artists try these: > > Can Atilla - Ave - Wow totally excellent the best material TD never released > > Arcane - lots of analogs, cant go wrong > > Weird - analogs and guitar, a real knockout > > Free System Projekt - Pointless Reminder , killer sequences, 70s TD sound > > tallyho > > mr. Wind > > - Hi, Any URL's to point us in the right direction? Thanks. -- Kind Regards, Grant. Grant M Somerville Glasgow, Scotland. Looking for Live Music Recordings...try http://freespace.virgin.net/grant.somerville/2index.html SOUNDCHECK [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Mike Valant' > > From: 'Mike Valant' > > > > Hello > > > > If anyone is interested in some excellent TD like artists try these: > > > > Can Atilla - Ave - Wow totally excellent the best material TD never >released > > > > Arcane - lots of analogs, cant go wrong > > > > Weird - analogs and guitar, a real knockout > > > > Free System Projekt - Pointless Reminder , killer sequences, 70s TD >sound > > > > tallyho > > > > mr. Wind > > > > - > >Hi, >Any URL's to point us in the right direction? >Thanks. > > > >-- Kind Regards, Grant. > > >Grant M Somerville >Glasgow, Scotland. > > Go to www.groove.nl, reviews under catalog, as well as sound samples at real audio clips they have. Also Synth Music Direct, has some great reviews on them.. www.neuharm.demon.co.uk happy listenings mike ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From: Vic Rek From: 'Joe Shoults' > > Hey Vic- > I'm curious- do you know any more about this movie? (anybody else know?) 7 > Schwabische Strasse is the Froeses' address (and the offices of TDI). > > Joe From: 'Michael A Jean' -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Valant [mailto:windwalker422@h...] > Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2000 2:21 PM > To: tadream@o... > Subject: [tadream] KS - Beyond Recall? > > > From: 'Mike Valant' > > Someone please fill me in on KS's Beyond Recall, is this one > worthwhile? I > read on his website this one, he used sampling for the first > time... Also > Babel, any info on that would be cool..... > > truce > > mike > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > GRAB THE GATOR! FREE SOFTWARE DOES ALL THE TYPING FOR YOU! > Tired of filling out forms and remembering passwords? Gator fills in > forms and passwords with just one click! Comes with $50 in free coupons! > Click Here > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Please practice listserv etiquette. To unsubscribe, e-mail > tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://tadream.copfer.com > > What are Chris Franke and Paul Haslinger up to these days? Find > out at http://www.haslinger.com and http://www.sonicimages.com/cf/! > From: 'Michael A Jean' From: 'Michael A Jean' -----Original Message----- > From: Grant M Somerville [mailto:Grant.Somerville@V...] > Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2000 6:18 PM > To: tadream@o... > Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: TD like artists > > > From: Grant M Somerville > > > > Mike Valant wrote: > > > From: 'Mike Valant' > > > > Hello > > > > If anyone is interested in some excellent TD like artists try these: > > > > Can Atilla - Ave - Wow totally excellent the best material TD > never released > > > > Arcane - lots of analogs, cant go wrong > > > > Weird - analogs and guitar, a real knockout > > > > Free System Projekt - Pointless Reminder , killer sequences, > 70s TD sound > > > > tallyho > > > > mr. Wind > > > > - > > Hi, > Any URL's to point us in the right direction? > Thanks. > > > > -- Kind Regards, Grant. > > > Grant M Somerville > Glasgow, Scotland. > > Looking for Live Music Recordings...try > http://freespace.virgin.net/grant.somerville/2index.html > > SOUNDCHECK > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > GRAB THE GATOR! FREE SOFTWARE DOES ALL THE TYPING FOR YOU! > Tired of filling out forms and remembering passwords? Gator fills in > forms and passwords with just one click! Comes with $50 in free coupons! > Click Here > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Please practice listserv etiquette. To unsubscribe, e-mail > tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://tadream.copfer.com > > What are Chris Franke and Paul Haslinger up to these days? Find > out at http://www.haslinger.com and http://www.sonicimages.com/cf/! > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20244 Re: TD like artists Mike Valant Mon 1/10/2000 1 KB From: 'Michael A Jean' From: 'Heiko Heerßen' 'They practically invented new age and ambient music, and synth-pop > groups like Kraftwerk and Devo are direct descendants-- [. . .]' Oh my, TD influenced Devo?! It's good to read a positive review of TD's work but this is too far out. I would rather say that Devo were influenced by Kraftwerk! Heiko From: Bert.Hulshoff@xx.xxx.xx Date: Mon Jan 10, 2000 8:17 am Subject: RE: Dig It Why not discussing KS at the KSpassion list. I invite you to KSPassion@o... Bert aka Phrozenlight my home-email phrozenlight@z... my Homepage http://phrozenlight.findhere.org/ (still under construction) please listen to my spacesongs and send me an review ;-) > If You Want to join KSpassion List : ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------- KSpassion-Community email addresses: Post message: KSpassion@o... Subscribe: KSpassion-subscribe@o... Unsubscribe: KSpassion-unsubscribe@o... > ---------- > From: Thomas[SMTP:t.h.o.m.a.s@t...] > Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2000 23:15 > To: tadream@o... > Subject: Re: [tadream] Dig It > > From: 'Thomas' > > ---------------------------------------------------- > > > Gustavo Jobim writes: > > > >I'm starting to explore Klaus Schulze albums. Still didn't buy any, but > I already listened to Moondawn and Dig It bits. I listened to Dig It > yesterday, and I kinda liked it. > > > >What do you think of this album? Is it one of the top KS favourites, > along with Timewind and Moondawn and X and some others? > > > >Gustavo F. Jobim > ---------------------------------------------------- > > Richard Ford writes: > > > Digit , X and Babel (with Andreas Grosser) are my faves. > > > By the way, I never see Babel mentioned. Anyone else have any views on > the 1 track 59 minute album > > > Richard Ford > ---------------------------------------------------- > > Hi! > > Digit and X are both great, but I've never heard Babel. I am however very > surprised that noone has brought up 'Timewind' yet. That really is a > Schulze classic, and is worth having in any emusic collection. Also > 'Mirage' and 'Moondawn' are fantastic! > > Just thought I'd chip that in! > > Thomas > Helsingborg, Sweden > > > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > Get great offers on top-notch products that match your interests! > Sign up for eLerts at: > Click Here > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Please practice listserv etiquette. To unsubscribe, e-mail > tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://tadream.copfer.com > > What are Chris Franke and Paul Haslinger up to these days? Find out at > http://www.haslinger.com and http://www.sonicimages.com/cf/! > From: 'Heiko Heerßen' From: Bert.Hulshoff@xx.xxx.xx Date: Mon Jan 10, 2000 9:08 am Subject: RE: Dig It Try Babel too , very nice very dreamy, > ---------- > From: Gustavo Jobim[SMTP:gustavfj@m...] > Sent: Friday, January 07, 2000 17:27 > To: tadream@o... > Subject: [tadream] Dig It > > Hey! > > I'm starting to explore Klaus Schulze albums. Still didn't buy any, but I > already listened .... > > --- > Gustavo F. Jobim > gustavfj@m... > gustavofj@h... > > > Bert > aka Phrozenlight > > my home-email phrozenlight@z... > my Homepage http://phrozenlight.findhere.org/ > (still under construction) > please listen to my spacesongs and send me an review ;-) > > If You Want to join Klaus Schulze List : ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------- KSpassion-Community email addresses: Post message: KSpassion@o... Subscribe: KSpassion-subscribe@o... Unsubscribe: KSpassion-unsubscribe@o... > If You Want to join Ozric Tentacles List : ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------- ErpNotes-Community email addresses: Post message: ErpNotes@o... Subscribe: ErpNotes-subscribe@o... Unsubscribe: ErpNotes-unsubscribe@o... ---------------------------------------------------- > If You Want to join Hawkwind List : Hawkwind-Community email addresses:   Post message: Hawkwind@o...   Subscribe:    Hawkwind-subscribe@o...   Unsubscribe:  Hawkwind-unsubscribe@o... From: 'Poulton, Larry' From: Synthhtnys@xxx.xxx Date: Mon Jan 10, 2000 10:38 am Subject: D: Studio [Exit] I remember this album very clearly.... Pilots of the Purple Twilight blew me away from the first note, and sounded soooooo good when they played it live..... mannnnn (drooling on keyboard) I have one observation about Exit that disturbs me somewhat... the songwriting credits include Schmoelling, but the production credits do not...what kinds of restrictions were placed on him? Curious... Kiew Mission Very classy, very sexy cut... I love the main theme that comes in when the female voice ends.... This is THE PPG album It's all over the place... a great keyboard... This album reminds me somewhat of a more upbeat Stratosfear in hindsight.... Pilots of the Purple Twilight God. I'm horny. Choronzon. Choronzon, for those of you who don't know is the demon that Crowley supposedly conjured up in the desert... Prog TD that's what this is.... TD had reached a point of studio slickness that they were never to return from (Good/bad? There is no answer.) They had become as slick as say the Alan Parsons Project, or Jethro Tull, or whoever.... I love this album.... Exit Another of my favorite TD melodies.... Gorgeous... stunning.... ahhhhhh. the early Schmoelling years....Delicious.... Network 23 Well, here's another Crowley reference... for some reason Crowley was fond of the number 23...This beat reminds me a lot of the later Le Parc album...While listening to the album again for reviewing I found myself cranking this one up real loud.... I think there's strong Franke elements to this song....IT ROCKS!!!!!!! Remote Viewing This is one of the most surreal moments TD ever did... and THAT's saying a lot ;-) The sequence that emerges at about 2:30 minutes is absolutely hypnotic.... One of their best..... Erotic TD That's how I view this album. Poly From: 'Patrik .' From: 'Mike Valant' >From: 'Michael A Jean' > >Anyone have the OTHER Can Attila disc? I sampled it, IMO , i dont like it at all. mike ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' From: 'Jens Peschke' From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' > > Hi Folks just a quick one Jim & Pablo buy it or leave it alone ? Leave it alone, I'd say! Unless you fency loads of bloody German narration on top of some so-so TD sounds and some music here and there. I think it was Fred from Jupiter, who put all the music_only bits together and merged them into one 9 minutes track or so. It has a nice story suitable to kids and grownups like Lars (;-)) if you understand German that is. Say, haven't got a flu ? Lucky dog, you. Thought all British are suffering ever so slightly. Rumour has it it has nothing to do with some beef... ;-) Oops. Don't mention the beef. Best Regards Jens From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' To: Sent: Monday, January 10, 2000 10:13 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] To buy or not to buy that is the question . > From: 'Jens Peschke' > > > From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' > > > > Hi Folks just a quick one Jim & Pablo buy it or leave it alone ? > > Leave it alone, I'd say! > Say, haven't got a flu ? Lucky dog, you. Thought all British are > suffering ever so slightly. Rumour has it it has nothing to do with some > beef... ;-) Oops. Don't mention the beef. Two cows in a field , one says to the other have you heard of this BSE thing ? The other says what are you asking me for I'm a helicopter. MMMMOOOOOOO !!!!!!!!!!! Best Regards ' Orch ' From: 'Jared White' From: Vic Rek From: Grant M Somerville From: Synthhtnys@a... > > I remember this album very clearly.... > Pilots of the Purple Twilight blew me away from the first note, and > sounded soooooo good when they played it live..... mannnnn > (drooling on keyboard) I have one observation about Exit that disturbs > me somewhat... the songwriting credits include Schmoelling, but > the production credits do not...what kinds of restrictions were placed on > him? Curious... > > Kiew Mission > Very classy, very sexy cut... I love the main theme that comes in when > the female voice ends.... This is THE PPG album It's all over the place... > a great keyboard... This album reminds me somewhat of a more upbeat > Stratosfear in hindsight.... > > Pilots of the Purple Twilight > God. I'm horny. > > Choronzon. > Choronzon, for those of you who don't know is the demon that Crowley > supposedly conjured up in the desert... Prog TD that's what this is.... > TD had reached a point of studio slickness that they were never to > return from (Good/bad? There is no answer.) They had become as slick > as say the Alan Parsons Project, or Jethro Tull, or whoever.... > I love this album.... > > Exit > Another of my favorite TD melodies.... Gorgeous... stunning.... > ahhhhhh. the early Schmoelling years....Delicious.... > > Network 23 > Well, here's another Crowley reference... for some reason Crowley was fond of > the number 23...This beat reminds me a lot of the later Le Parc album...While > listening to the album again for reviewing I found myself cranking this one > up real loud.... I think there's strong Franke elements > to this song....IT ROCKS!!!!!!! > > Remote Viewing > This is one of the most surreal moments TD ever did... > and THAT's saying a lot ;-) > The sequence that emerges at about 2:30 minutes > is absolutely hypnotic.... One of their best..... > Erotic TD > That's how I view this album. > > Poly > > So, you're not quite sure about this one... ; -) -- Kind Regards, Grant. Grant M Somerville Glasgow, Scotland. Looking for Live Music Recordings...try http://freespace.virgin.net/grant.somerville/2index.html SOUNDCHECK [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Steven Feldman Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 15:37:34 -0800 >Subject: Re: [tadream] D:Studio [Exit] >From: Tangerine Dream mailing list >Really-From: Jared White > >Yes, Exit, an appropriate name for an album where, seemingly, TD's >brilliance and mastery went out the door. [. . .] >I'm sorry, maybe it's a 'had to have been there at the time' thing, but >having heard Exit first-time in 1999, it's like *what were they >thinking*?!?! [. . .] Ouch. EXIT is the first TD album that I bought *new*, at full retail price -- having previously bought used copies of PHAEDRA and one half of ENCORE (only one disc: the one with 'Cherokee Lane'). I went absolutely gonzo over 'Kiew Mission' and 'Choronzon.' Over the years, my taste has changed. *Now*, I go gonzo over 'Remote Viewing' and sometimes the title track and 'Kiew Mission.' 'Choronzon' -- like the entirety of RICOCHET -- is one of those tracks that I've played soooooooooooo many times, that I have trouble deriving any more pleasure from it. *That's* how much *I* like EXIT. Now, don't tell me you're one of those TD fans who actually likes LEGEND, OPTICAL RACE, LIVEMILES, and/or TRANSSIBERIA. ;) Steven Feldman ^ ^ ^ CURRENT INTERESTS: Hayao ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ________ ^ ^ 33 Brook St #3 ^ ^ ^ Miyazaki anime, kung fu/ ^ ^ ^ ^ __--- ---_ Brookline Mass ^ ^ ^ martial arts movies, UFO ^ ^ ^ - _ \ 02445-6913 USA ^ ^ ^ abduction literature and ^ ^ ^ | /_/ \ | (617) 232-3876 ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ Tangerine Dream. ^ ^ _- __/_// __ |/ BITNET: ar402004@b... ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ - (|/ '()` <()/ ^ INTERNET: ar402004@b... ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ \_ O .> | ^ HOME PAGE: http://members.spree.com/molasar/ ^ ^ ^ ^ /--_/ -__ -- / ^ EBAY PAGE: http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/molasar/ ^ ^ ^ ^ --- ^ ^ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20253 Re: What are ya, daft? EXIT rules! Sean Montgomery Tue 1/11/2000 1 KB 20254 Re: What are ya, daft? EXIT rules! Jared White Tue 1/11/2000 1 KB 20257 Re: What are ya, daft? EXIT rules! Greg Tue 1/11/2000 2 KB 20258 Re: What are ya, daft? EXIT rules! Michael A Jean Tue 1/11/2000 1 KB From: Sean Montgomery Yes, Exit, an appropriate name for an album where, seemingly, TD's > brilliance and mastery went out the door. Harsh words, Jared! Especially considering that Exit contains Kiew Mission, which remains one of my top 5 TD songs ever (despite the fact that Michael Jackson used the same 'clang' sound that concludes the intro in his song Beat It...every time I hear that I feel like putting on a red and black leather jacket). I also love the wonderful thunderstorm atmospherics of Exit, and the trance-like Remote Viewing. Network 23 and Choronzon are, admittedly, dated sounding...a Dream Mixes style treatment here could be interesting. SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: Sean Montgomery Now, don't tell me you're one of those TD fans who actually likes > LEGEND, OPTICAL RACE, LIVEMILES, and/or TRANSSIBERIA. ;) Actually, while we agree totally on Exit, Steve...I find stuff to like on the albums you name too...particularly 'Cottage', 'Mothers of Rain' and 'Baikal Sunrise'. SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: 'Jared White' From: Steven Feldman > Now, don't tell me you're one of those TD fans who actually likes > LEGEND, OPTICAL RACE, LIVEMILES, and/or TRANSSIBERIA. ;) Well, two out of four at least. Optical Race was the first TD album I heard, and it remains a favorite to this day. And Livemiles maybe isn't brilliant, but I've enjoyed it very much the times I've listened to it since I got it recently. Just showes to go ya: different streaks for different freaks. ;) That's what makes TD so GREAT -- something for everyone!!! No hard feelings I hope, you Exit-lovers out there.... :) Jared From: pergamon@xxxxxxx.xx Date: Tue Jan 11, 2000 1:54 am Subject: D:Studio [Exit] Great album, I won't get into all the tracks, but I will however say that, after hearing the version of Exit on TANGERINE AMBIENCE 1, I rather like that one instead of the original. The version on TA 1, has a better sound and the strings are more warm and heavenly. Can't remember the artist. Namaste Jan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20256 Re: D:Studio [Exit] Quarlie@xxx.xxx Tue 1/11/2000 2 KB 20261 Re: D:Studio [Exit] Heiko Heerßen Tue 1/11/2000 1 KB 20262 Re: D:Studio [Exit] Synthhtnys@xxx.xxx Tue 1/11/2000 1 KB 20265 Re: D:Studio [Exit] Thomas Tue 1/11/2000 2 KB 20269 Re: D:Studio [Exit] Gabe Yedid Tue 1/11/2000 3 KB 20270 Re: D:Studio [Exit] Jared White Tue 1/11/2000 2 KB 20272 Re: D:Studio [Exit] Sean Montgomery Tue 1/11/2000 2 KB 20275 Re: D:Studio [Exit] Gustavo Jobim Tue 1/11/2000 1 KB 20378 D:Studio [Exit] Quarlie@a... Wed 1/19/2000 8 KB From: Quarlie@xxx.xxx Date: Tue Jan 11, 2000 3:19 am Subject: Re: D:Studio [Exit] In a message dated 1/10/00 6:44:38 PM, 'Jared White' wrote: >Yes, Exit, an appropriate name for an album where, seemingly, TD's >brilliance and mastery went out the door. > >Exit, one of the most mediocre sounding albums I've heard TD put out yet. >I'm sorry, maybe it's a 'had to have been there at the time' thing [snip] Not necessarily. It was already 1988 or so when I first heard this album (it was my first exposure to TD), and I currently rank it my favorite TD album of the '80s (though Logos and White Eagle are definitely close behind). So, that can't be the reason. >All I can say is, I guess it's like Tyranny >of Beauty coming after Turn of the Tides. After a masterpiece, maybe it >takes a bad album before you're to be able to do another masterpiece (like >Logos, and Goblin's Club after ToB). Go figure... I like TOB. ;) --Daniel (Quarlie) NP: Massive Attack--Mezzanine From: 'Greg' From: 'Jared White' > > > From: Steven Feldman > > > Now, don't tell me you're one of those TD fans who actually likes > > LEGEND, OPTICAL RACE, LIVEMILES, and/or TRANSSIBERIA. ;) > > Well, two out of four at least. Optical Race was the first TD album I heard, > and it remains a favorite to this day. And Livemiles maybe isn't brilliant, > but I've enjoyed it very much the times I've listened to it since I got it > recently. > Jared Livemiles: Like a Cubist work of art... compositionally brilliant and technically 'perfect', but lacking in emotion and content. I love Livemiles, but I don't listen to it too much. It depends on the mood I'm in--it's good problem solving music as it all just flows and fits together. It also reminds me of the work by M.C. Escher with his work with patternings and motif melding. Greg H. From: 'Michael A Jean' >I'm sorry, maybe it's a 'had to have been there at the time' thing, but > >having heard Exit first-time in 1999, it's like *what were they > >thinking*?!?! [. . .] I just recently picked up the UK version of th CD from 1984, and was pleasantly surprised to find 5 photos in the booklet that didn't appear in the US version. I always thought EXIT had some moments, but hearing it on CD rather than the my old LP made me enjoy it even more... Key track for me is REMOTE VIEWING... Another fond memory is seeing TD for the first time..Pilots of Purple Twilight opened the show~ MJ From: Steven Feldman Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 21:36:19 -0700 >Subject: Re: [tadream] What are ya, daft? EXIT rules! >From: Tangerine Dream mailing list >Really-From: 'Greg' > >Livemiles: [. . .] technically 'perfect', but lacking in emotion and >content. [. . .] Yep, that about sums it up for *me*, too. And if weren't for 'content,' that would sum up my feeling for POLAND, too. Why am I not all that keen on POLAND? Let's see . . . IMHO, POLAND, MIRACLE MILE, and THE PARK IS MINE are TD's coldest, most metallic, most Kraftwerk-esque recordings, ever. Brrrrrrrr. -- Steven Feldman - - - - - - - Quip: 'Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.' --Albert Einstein Another: 'Science is to investigate the unexplained, not to 'explain' the uninvestigated.' --Stanton Friedman, nuclear physicist and UFO researcher Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20276 Re: Technically perfect, but lacking in emotion a Gustavo Jobim Tue 1/11/2000 1 KB 20278 Re: Technically perfect, but lacking in emotion a Marcel Engels Tue 1/11/2000 1 KB From: Joel Mullen >>>>>> You had commented about people flying in to Jacksonville, or Atlanta or wherever and then getting a van to transport them to the Swamp. 4.5 hours to Atlanta and 2 hours to Jacksonville. Quite alot of driving, waiting, or rental car expense unless all the stars align and we all fly in at the same time. Also with a Sunday to Wednesday stay a person can really get screwed on the flight costs (without a Saturday stay it is very expensive. For example from my closest airport a Sat-Wed round trip flight will cost about $244 plus tax. A Sun-Wed flight will cost $802 plus tax. ) So I suggest we just pick Atlanta and have every one fly in there anytime Saturday (or Sunday a.m.) and we spend the night crashed at your place (or at a hotel or wherever) Then we can rent a bus (and maybe even a driver) or 2 large vans to take us all down to the Swamp together. (and meet up with people who are driving either in Atlanta with everyone else or right at the swamp. The drive will be a great time to listen to some TD and get to know eachother. Let me know what you think. I posted this to the list just so others could either tell me I am crazy or let me know that it sounds good to them as well. Later! Regards, Joel On Monday, January 10, 2000 5:44 PM, Vic Rek [SMTP:torque19@i...] wrote: > From: Vic Rek > > Tomorrow I plan to reserve and charge to my credit card the cottages for > our TD fan celebration at the Okefenokee. > > Cottage availability is limited and not available over any weekend until > June. I propose to reserve 2 cottages which can sleep 8+ people. The > rental is $71 per night and first night must be paid in advance (I will > take care of this). So far I have about 18+ people signed up (with > various waivers), so I think 2 is safe and 3 would be best. All of those > interested (and not interested anymore), please respond ASAP if you > still plan to come and when. Here are the proposed dates: > > 1. March 19-22 (Vernal Equinox and full moon during this period) - 5 > cottages still available > > 2. April 16-19 (full moon will be here too) > > These days are Sunday 4 PM through Wednesday. We can most likely extend > the stay for the survivors through Friday if they wish ;-) I will be > there and try to be most flexible to help anyone out. > > Please respond ASAP since options may disappear very soon. As they > already have for the weekends for the next 6 months... > > Vic > From: 'Heiko Heerßen' Sorry, what with all the bad press and all surrounding some of the, ah, > shall we say 'later' TD albums that I like, I just HAD to say something > about Exit, a definite low point in the Virgin years, IMHO. Ouch!!!!! I disagree 100%!! Heiko n.p.: TD - Great wall of China From: Synthhtnys@xxx.xxx Date: Tue Jan 11, 2000 7:31 am Subject: Re: D:Studio [Exit] In a message dated 1/11/2000 7:23:48 AM !!!First Boot!!!, heiko.heerssen@h... writes: << Jared White wrote: > Sorry, what with all the bad press and all surrounding some of the, ah, > shall we say 'later' TD albums that I like, I just HAD to say something > about Exit, a definite low point in the Virgin years, IMHO. Ouch!!!!! I disagree 100%!! Heiko >> * I disagree also, but hey it's only an opinion.... right? I would suggest though, Jared, that perhaps instead of a long letter saying it sucks, maybe you could define WHAT it is you don't like about it... Poly Paul Ellis / Secret Fire Music Synthhtnys@a... Work-in-progress : Appears to Vanish (solo) Member: Dweller at the Threshold http://threshold.opb.org From: 'tom george' From: Joel Mullen sounds like a winner to me. tom before ) April still looks like a very good possiblity as I have my schedule >now and it is open. :-) > >Now my suggestion. >>>>>>> Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com From: fsp@xxx.xx Date: Tue Jan 11, 2000 8:47 am Subject: D: [Studio] Exit >From: 'Jared White' > >Sorry, what with all the bad press and all surrounding some of the, ah, >shall we say 'later' TD albums that I like, I just HAD to say something >about Exit, a definite low point in the Virgin years, IMHO. Uhm...maybe I'm one of the persons who agree a bit with Jared. However I don't find it a lowpoint because there are tracks on it that I really like (the last one is even a favorite of mine). But, looking at all the Virgin years albums I must say, together with Thief, I find this the least best. I haven't wrote a review for Thief...I like the title tracks but thats about it. imo the tracks don't develop that much, which the same I find in Exit. It's an okay album which don't get much airplay from me. Now White Eagle and Logos is a whole different story! Marcel Music-page :http://home.wxs.nl/~m1engels Email :fsp@w... From: 'Thomas' From: 'Jared White' > > Sorry, what with all the bad press and all surrounding some of the, ah, > shall we say 'later' TD albums that I like, I just HAD to say something > about Exit, a definite low point in the Virgin years, IMHO. I must agree with you a little bit. I also don't believe that 'Exit' is one of the TD masterpieces of the Virgin years, and definetly not a must-have. But I do like very much the intensity of 'Network 23', it has tremendous power and I enjoy very much listening to it at extreme volumes. I bet my neighbours don't...! Also, 'Remote Viewing' is a very good piece of music. It is so different from the other tunes on this album, very soft, warm and spacey, the other ones sound kind of harsh and cold to me. That's my opinion anyway. I think that 'Thief' and 'White Eagle' proceeding and succeeding it were much better, especially 'White Eagle'. Right, off to work again... Thomas Bertilsson Helsingborg, Sweden From: 'Glenn Folkvord (JMJ FKN)' From: 'Derk' From: 'Hassinen Ami' From: Gabe Yedid From: Sean Montgomery > > > > > Yes, Exit, an appropriate name for an album where, seemingly, TD's > > brilliance and mastery went out the door. > > Harsh words, Jared! Especially considering that Exit contains Kiew > Mission, which remains one of my top 5 TD songs ever (despite the fact > that Michael Jackson used the same 'clang' sound that concludes the intro > in his song Beat It...every time I hear that I feel like putting on a red > and black leather jacket). Who used it first? Is it a preset (from the PPG Wave)? Or did TD craft this sound, and THEN it became a preset used by other artists? I also love the wonderful thunderstorm > atmospherics of Exit, and the trance-like Remote Viewing. I find that I adore side 2 of the album, and don't much care for side 1. The side 2 pieces are, for me, compositionally and emotionally, more interesting. > Network 23 and > Choronzon are, admittedly, dated sounding...a Dream Mixes style treatment > here could be interesting. Agreed here...I think this would work better with 'Network 23', which is already partway to being house...'Choronzon', on the other hand, is just too strictly Saturday Night Fever to do anything with. It would work well in a retro '70s club, though. Actually, remix it with the sound set used on 'Vault of the Heavens' (from _Beyond the Storm) and you might have something serviceable for a show there... You know, I always think of 'Network 23' as a sort of Dream Mixes mark I. 'Choronzon' has a stricter, more predictable structure, while 'Network 23' is a more open-ended style of composition, with rather short melodic and rhythmic ideas all just sort of washing up on one another, and linked by this strong underpinning beat, that I feel has quite a lot in common with what TD was doing on _Dream Mixes_ (and much less so on _TimeSquare_)--one of the principal reasons why I like both 'Network' and _Dream Mixes_ so much. I wish TD would (have) explored this style more often (in ANY era). > SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator Gabe From: 'Jared White' From: Synthhtnys@a... > > * I disagree also, but hey it's only an opinion.... right? > I would suggest though, Jared, that perhaps instead of a long letter > saying it sucks, maybe you could define WHAT it is you don't like > about it... I guess boring synth noodles that don't go anywhere pretty much sum it up for me. Plus the fact that it's probably exhibits most of the 'bad Schmoelling style' of that period. IMHO, while that lineup could come up with some really tight, powerful, and majestic sequencer work (such as Tangram, Logos, Poland, etc.), they sometimes seemed to go more for the technology rather than the music. Exit, to me, sounds like a bunch of guys (one of which is fairly new to the band and wanting to exhibit more personal style) with hot new equipment fooling around with it and seeing what they can come up with. I NEVER get that impression with anything pre-Tangram. And, you know what? I never get that impression post-Poland, either (with the exception of maybe Dream Mixes once in a while). I want MUSIC, damnit! I want TIGHT, FOCUSED, classical compositions, not just 'cool sounds!' To me, if the band energy while doing Exit had come together right this moment, they'd probably be doing some really weird techno thing or something (sorry, Jens...). Plus, Exit had shorter tracks, yes, but without the punch and dynamics that TD would later employ for the shorter track structure to work. Exit's tracks just didn't seem to have enough time to go anywhere, that's all. Maybe I should listen to it again. But this is my impression of it, having heard Kiev Mission and Choronzon many times, and the rest of the album a few. Regards, Jared From: 'Marcel Engels' From: Vic Rek > > Please respond ASAP since options may disappear very soon. As they > already have for the weekends for the next 6 months... Well, I want to come... But I really haven't checked the prices etc. I don't want a suprise when I book the tickets. (sorry I haven't checked either). And I also don't know if I can get free...I just started a new job last month. It's not a distance to say: oh I'm driving over to see you guys... I'd love to be there but I'm just not sure if I can make it. It would be great to play some mellotron sounds and sequencers thru the swamp!!! I'll contact you offlist Vic! Marcel Music-page :http://home.wxs.nl/~m1engels Email :fsp@w... From: Sean Montgomery > that Michael Jackson used the same 'clang' sound that concludes the intro > > in his song Beat It...every time I hear that I feel like putting on a red > > and black leather jacket). > > Who used it first? Is it a preset (from the PPG Wave)? Or did TD craft > this sound, and THEN it became a preset used by other artists? TD definitely used it first (Thriller came out a year after Exit). I think I recall hearing that it was a preset. > Agreed here...I think this would work better with 'Network 23', which is > already partway to being house...'Choronzon', on the other hand, is just > too strictly Saturday Night Fever to do anything with. It would work well > in a retro '70s club, though. Perhaps! Actually, a lot of DJs right now are mixing two songs (usually and old one and a new one) together to create new dance club hits (Madonna's Holiday combined with Armand Van Helden's 'Music Sounds Better With You being the most notable example). Perhaps someone could splice Choronzon with, say, Cassius or Basement Jaxx? SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: Rainer Rutka From: Gustavo Jobim 1: Jean Michel Jarre - Oxygene (109) >2: Jean Michel Jarre - Equinoxe (90) >3: Tangerine Dream - Phaedra (46) >4: Klaus Schulze - Timewind (45) >5: Tangerine Dream - Rubycon (44) >6: Kraftwerk - Man Machine / Mensch Maschine (43) >7: Tangerine Dream - Tangram (41) >8: Tangerine Dream - Logos (37) >9: Tangerine Dream - Force Majeure (33) These last three IMO are way better candidates to best EM album than Phaedra and Rubycon... --- Gustavo F. Jobim gustavfj@m... gustavofj@h... From: Gustavo Jobim Jens...). Plus, Exit had shorter tracks, yes, but without the punch and >dynamics that TD would later employ for the shorter track structure to work. I'd like to add examples such as Dolphin Dance and, from Schmoelling period, Central Park. Great songs, but we'll talk about them later. --- Gustavo F. Jobim gustavfj@m... gustavofj@h... From: Gustavo Jobim IMHO, POLAND, MIRACLE MILE, and THE PARK IS MINE are TD's coldest, >most metallic, most Kraftwerk-esque recordings, ever. Brrrrrrrr. I always have had this metallic-cold feeling about Poland too. But I like this album so much. --- Gustavo F. Jobim gustavfj@m... gustavofj@h... From: Gustavo Jobim From: 'Marcel Engels' From: Gustavo Jobim > > > IMHO, POLAND, MIRACLE MILE, and THE PARK IS MINE are TD's coldest, > >most metallic, most Kraftwerk-esque recordings, ever. Brrrrrrrr. > > I always have had this metallic-cold feeling about Poland too. But I like > this album so much. In a way they succeeded in making Poland cold then! :-) Great album!!! Marcel Music-page :http://home.wxs.nl/~m1engels Email :fsp@w... From: Vic Rek From: 'tom george' From: AOutland@a... Date: Wed Jan 12, 2000 2:57 am Subject: Re: D:Exit In a message dated 01/10/2000 7:55:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, sean@t... writes: << Actually, while we agree totally on Exit, Steve...I find stuff to like on the albums you name too.. >> And Live Miles (along with Tangram) still rules my life. Exit was my third album that I heard and the first one that I bought. It was at this point that I began to look for Tangerine Dream in any bin in any store. My thrill with this group was that I never knew what to expect. No album was ever the same. You never knew where to find them: it might be in the jazz section, maybe New Age, maybe sound tracks. I had Industrial with Ricochet, I had dark ambience with Sorcerer, with Exit I didn't know what I had. Words? In my electronic music? Sacrilege! But I loved it; loved the whole album. Couldn't wait til I could find another one. Back in those days, I had time to get intimately familiar with every album I found because it would be months before I found another one. Imagine my shock a few years later when I discovered they had at least fifty albums released and all I had was a mere dozen or so. The difference between then and now is that I could immerse myself in these few albums and become totally drowned in the sound. Now, the music comes so fast there is only time for a quick review before I grab the next one going by. Don't get me wrong. I still love the new music, especially Goblin's Club and Mars Polaris, but the intimacy is gone. The feeling that this music was created just for me (captured again with Outland, lol!). And yet the sickness is that I just can't stop now. I HAVE to buy the next album, HAVE to keep collecting. I don't want to miss a single sound they create. Why? Because eventually this group will stop producing, and I want to sit back, with the knowledge that I won't get anything new anymore, and still be able to discover new dreams in what I have managed to gather. But I digress. We're reviewing Exit. My favorite is Remote Viewing mainly because of learning on a TV program what that title meant. Apparently our government believed enough in telepathy to form a group code named Remote Viewing to try to hone in on thoughts of people in dire situations. It was reported that they actually managed to pinpoint a kidnapped General through his agonized thoughts. Unfortunately, the rescue team arrived too late. The music is haunting and poignant. 8-) Dell From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Wed Jan 12, 2000 5:33 am Subject: Christian Horn Anyone have a current email address for Christian Horn? Thanks! Regards, Michael A. Jean Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20296 Re: Christian Horn Peter.Stoeferle@xxxxxxxx.xxxx Thu 1/1/1970 1 KB From: 'Heiko Heerßen' Date: Wed Jan 12, 2000 7:44 am Subject: Re: TD'ish band: Arcane Glenn Folkvord (JMJ FKN) wrote: > From: 'Glenn Folkvord (JMJ FKN)' > > Hey, > > Has anyone here heard the CD 'Gather Darkness' by Arcane? Its very TD-like IMO and would like to know if anyone thinks this is a TD rip-off or just another album in the same style as late 70s/early 80s TD. > > all the best, > Glenn > > HI Glenn, I have this album and I think it was one of the best EM albums which were released in 1999. And I don't think it's a TD rip-off. I won't deny that the Arcane guy was obviously influenced by TD (the first track could've fitted perfectly onto the 'Logos' album), but the melodies bear no resemblance to any tracks TD have recorded. The only TD rip-off album I know is Can Atilla's 'Ave' cd....although I like it a lot ;-) Heiko From: 'TDI - Martin K.' Date: Wed Jan 12, 2000 10:27 am Subject: Re: TDI missing numbers Hi Tom, here´s an 'official' reply to your request ;-): >TDI CD005 - Dream Mixes 1 >TDI CD009 - Oasis >TDI CD011 - Tournado >TDI CD015 - What a Blast >TDI CD017 - Rockoon >TDI CD018 - 220 Volt live >TDI CD019 - Turn of the Tides >TDI CD020- Tyranny of Beauty By the way, your booster was shipped on December 30th, airmail, registered and insured. Due to the holiday chaos, packeages sent between X- Mas and New Year´s are sometimes delayed a bit. Please contact me off- list if it doesn´t arrrive within the next 7 days, so that I can investigate. If anything gets lost, of course we will replace it. All the best, Martin K. TDI- Music- Support. Tel:-49-30-23620995 Fax:-49-30-23620996 Visit our Website at: http://www.tdi-music-mall.de Have a nice day! From: 'tom george' Date: Wed Jan 12, 2000 11:21 am Subject: Re: TDI missing numbers -- On Wed, 12 Jan 2000 11:27:14 TDI - Martin K. wrote: >From: 'TDI - Martin K.' > >Hi Tom, here4s an 'official' reply to your request ;-): hi martin, thanks so much for all your information. i have no doubt i will see the booster soon. just getting itchy fingers i guess. :) what a surprise to get an 'official' reply. thanks again. tom >By the way, your booster was shipped on December 30th, airmail, registered >and insured. 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Greenspan Chairman, eUniverse / CD Universe http://www.cduniverse.com/asp/cdu_main.asp?frm=lk_news Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20305 Re: CD Universe Has Been Compromised Sean Montgomery Thu 1/13/2000 1 KB 20329 Re: CD Universe Has Been Compromised Lawry Simm Sat 1/15/2000 2 KB From: 'Joe Shoults' From: 'Joe Shoults' -----Original Message----- > From: Michael A Jean [mailto:michaeljean@e...] ... > I was just at Tower and saw a new book (c. 2000)entitled Music Hounds's > Guide to Film Soundtracks (or something similar)...THere are several > references in it to TD. > From: 'Heiko Heerßen' Just watched Wavelength for the first (probably last) time tonight. The > movie itself was not great, but not bad, but of course I didn't really rent > it for the plot. (!) Heavily Tangram-laden, the soundtrack matched the > movie very well, and held it afloat. I already had and like the OST, but it > didn't sound like the music from the movie was exactly the same as the OST. > I also have the Wavelength soundtrack (with dialogues in German language) and the last track 'Mojave end title reprise' is played with double speed..now that sounds silly! Heiko Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20302 Re: wavelength the movie Joe Shoults Thu 1/13/2000 2 KB From: Peter.Stoeferle@xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx) Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 10:59 pm Subject: RE: Christian Horn > Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 23:33:05 -0600 > From: 'Michael A Jean' > Subject: Christian Horn > > Anyone have a current email address for Christian Horn? Thanks! Chris Horn is offline actually. He has decided to change his provider, and he already has unsubscribed with his old one but not subscribed to his new one. Some days ago, he told me on the phone that he wants to be back on the net soon. Greetings Peter Stoeferle From: Attila Gyory wrote: > Hi all, > > I am currently working on a new discography (if > that's the right word!) for > all the TV, video and film scores that TD have done, > which can be found at > the following address: > > http://perso.club-internet.fr/pfellows/films/webpages/filmlist.html > > If anyone can help with images of the more obscure > sleeves (American > versions, not the Italian versions which can be > found on Nicola Cont's site) > that would be very helpful! > > Cheers > Paul Hi all! I've got a question with film scores. Some years ago, I've seen a film, but I don't know the title of it. I know that the music was written by TD, and the story is broadly the following: Some mysterious murder (or robbery?) occurs in a huge business center, but noone knows who's the offender, because he always disappears immediately. At the end it clears up that he is the designer of the building, and he hides in a secret place inside of the building. And noone can find him, because this place is marked only on the original plans, not on the modified ones. This was the story. If anyone knew the title of the film and the TD score's title, I would be glad. And please correct me if I was wrong with the story. Thanks, Attila __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From: 'Heiko Heerßen' Hi all! > > I've got a question with film scores. Some years ago, > I've seen a film, but I don't know the title of it. I > know that the music was written by TD, and the story > is broadly the following: > > Some mysterious murder (or robbery?) occurs in a huge > business center, but noone knows who's the offender, > because he always disappears immediately. At the end > it clears up that he is the designer of the building, > and he hides in a secret place inside of the building. > And noone can find him, because this place is marked > only on the original plans, not on the modified ones. > > This was the story. If anyone knew the title of the > film and the TD score's title, I would be glad. And > please correct me if I was wrong with the story. > Thanks, > > Attila Hi Attila, to me this sounds like the 'Kamikaze 1989' film by Rainer Werner Fassbinder, released in 1982. The soundtrack was by Edgar Froese. Heiko From: SCRIBE1964@xxx.xxx Date: Thu Jan 13, 2000 1:02 pm Subject: Re: Re : New TD Film Discography In a message dated 01/13/2000 7:07:54 AM Eastern Standard Time, atasoft760209@y... writes: > . . . Some mysterious murder (or robbery?) occurs in a huge > business center, but noone knows who's the offender, > because he always disappears immediately. At the end > it clears up that he is the designer of the building, > and he hides in a secret place inside of the building. > And noone can find him, because this place is marked > only on the original plans, not on the modified ones. . . . Sounds like 'Zoning' to me. From: 'Thomas' From: Attila Gyory > > Hi all! > > I've got a question with film scores. Some years ago, > I've seen a film, but I don't know the title of it. I > know that the music was written by TD, and the story > is broadly the following: > > Some mysterious murder (or robbery?) occurs in a huge > business center, but noone knows who's the offender, > because he always disappears immediately. At the end > it clears up that he is the designer of the building, > and he hides in a secret place inside of the building. > And noone can find him, because this place is marked > only on the original plans, not on the modified ones. > > This was the story. If anyone knew the title of the > film and the TD score's title, I would be glad. And > please correct me if I was wrong with the story. > Thanks, > > Attila Hi Attila, this has to be ZONING. I believe the score is available via Repertoire records. Thomas Helsingborg, Sweden Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20316 Re: SV: Re : New TD Film Discography Vic Rek Fri 1/14/2000 1 KB 20325 Re: SV: Re : New TD Film Discography AOutland@xxx.xxx Sat 1/15/2000 1 KB From: 'Micha³ Kupczyk' > From: Attila Gyory > > Hi all! > > I've got a question with film scores. Some years ago, > I've seen a film, but I don't know the title of it. I > know that the music was written by TD, and the story > is broadly the following: > > Some mysterious murder (or robbery?) occurs in a huge > business center, but noone knows who's the offender, > because he always disappears immediately. At the end > it clears up that he is the designer of the building, > and he hides in a secret place inside of the building. > And noone can find him, because this place is marked > only on the original plans, not on the modified ones. > > This was the story. If anyone knew the title of the > film and the TD score's title, I would be glad. And > please correct me if I was wrong with the story. > Thanks, > > Attila Hi Attila, this has to be ZONING. I believe the score is available via Repertoire records. Thomas Helsingborg, Sweden ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Please click above to support our sponsor ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Please practice listserv etiquette. To unsubscribe, e-mail tadream-unsubscribe@o... Website: http://tadream.copfer.com What are Chris Franke and Paul Haslinger up to these days? Find out at http://www.haslinger.com and http://www.sonicimages.com/cf/! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Joe Shoults' -----Original Message----- > Joe Shoults wrote: > > > Just watched Wavelength for the first (probably last) time tonight. The > > movie itself was not great, but not bad, but of course I didn't > really rent > > it for the plot. (!) Heavily Tangram-laden, the soundtrack matched the > > movie very well, and held it afloat. I already had and like > the OST, but it > > didn't sound like the music from the movie was exactly the same > as the OST. > > > > I also have the Wavelength soundtrack (with dialogues in German > language) and the last track 'Mojave end title reprise' is played with > double speed..now that sounds silly! > > Heiko > From: Olle.Rundgren@xxx.xx Date: Thu Jan 13, 2000 5:26 pm Subject: LISTigt 'Derk' wrote: >Good or bad, Exit was chosen 18th best EM album of all time in a recent poll >of subscribers to the Groove (http://www.groove.nl) newsletter. >The top 24 was as follows: >1: Jean Michel Jarre - Oxygene (109) >2: Jean Michel Jarre - Equinoxe (90) >3: Tangerine Dream - Phaedra (46) >4: Klaus Schulze - Timewind (45) >5: Tangerine Dream - Rubycon (44) >6: Kraftwerk - Man Machine / Mensch Maschine (43) >7: Tangerine Dream - Tangram (41) >8: Tangerine Dream - Logos (37) >9: Tangerine Dream - Force Majeure (33) >10: Kraftwerk - Autobahn (32) >11: Klaus Schulze - Mirage (30) >11: Vangelis - Blade Runner (30) >11: Tangerine Dream - Poland (30) >14: Vangelis - Antarctica (25) >15: Vangelis - Direct (23) >16: Vangelis - 1492 (22) >17: Ashra - New age of earth (21) >18: Tangerine Dream - Exit (18) >18: Klaus Schulze - Moondawn (18) >20: Kraftwerk - Computer World / Computer Welt (17) >20: Brian Eno - Music for airports (17) >22: Wendy Carlos - Switched on Bach (16) >23: Vangelis - Spiral (15) >24: Vangelis - China (13) ------------------------- Well, I certainly didn't vote. That's for sure. Tangram, Rubycon and New Age of Earth deserve to be among the top ten. One or two of the others might fit in somewhere between 10 and 20, but so much is missing that I wouldn't rate this as a very interesting list. Hardly fits into the top 20 when it comes to the lists of all times. It is interesting to see the different opinions on Exit here. Strong emotions connected to this one obviously, whether it is in favour of or not. That surprises me. I haven't listened to the album in years but decided to do it again just because of all these reviews. However it is just as I remebered it; One of these albums that to me is very symbolic of the Froese-Francke-Schmoelling era. Nice but impossible to get addicted to. Beautiful at times but generally lacks the magic. Sweet melodies but too hummable to last in the long run (still of course a great improvement when compared to the bland Thief). Fascinating how TD seems to have, not only fans of the old style and the new, but of at least three different periods: 1)With Bauman 2)without Bauman and 3)without Francke. Just a pity that none of these seem to attract my dear ones at home. Bye for now, Olle Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20320 Re: LISTigt Gustavo Jobim Fri 1/14/2000 1 KB From: Klaus Beschorner From: Sean Montgomery From: 'Paul Fellows' De : Klaus Beschorner >À : tadream moderated mailing list at onelist >Objet : [tadream] New TD Film Discography >Date : Jeu 13 jan 2000 16:59 > >From: Klaus Beschorner > > >Paul, > >a worthy cause, but you _must_ split up in at least two categories: > >1) original soundtracks, OST, music written specifically for a film > maybe sub-divided into theater/video releases (where one can find > original stuff like videos, posters etc.) and pure TV productions. > >2) some already released music used as a backdrop. I call these 'LP- > music' to make clear it's nothing original. In about 95% of the > cases, the band never knew of the music being used, let alone > received royalties... > >If you don't do this you will end up listing a tampon ad with an >excerpt of 'Catwalk' used as a backdrop, only run on East Fidschi TV, >right next to 'The Keep'. Simply not the same thing. > >For those who are too easily impressed: 'Qaf' is just >LP-music. So is the 'Spiders Soundtrack', and many more. > >klaus > > >--------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > >Get great offers on top-notch products that match your interests! >Sign up for eLerts at: >Click Here > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >Please practice listserv etiquette. To unsubscribe, e-mail >tadream-unsubscribe@o... >Website: http://tadream.copfer.com > >What are Chris Franke and Paul Haslinger up to these days? Find out at >http://www.haslinger.com and http://www.sonicimages.com/cf/! > From: 'cinemafan' From: 'cinemafan' Date: Fri Jan 14, 2000 5:16 am Subject: Jupe's Tdpage Jupe- Did you make those vid's????? They are sooo cool. Where did you find the color TD footage? It looks better on my compression laced monitor than my VHS tapes! Anyway-consider me impressed. I am keeping those files! Chris PS If you dont have the Border mag with the one page article on TD and want it for your collection send me your address and a buck to cover postage and I will get it out to you. This is for completists only and I only have 5 copies so act quick if you want it. States only please unless you want to pay for INT postage! Subject: Keep Affair Hi , The keep Affair MPG is available in : http://mipagina.euskaltel.es/jupe/home.htm Regards , Jupe [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20318 Re: Jupe's Tdpage joe shoults Fri 1/14/2000 2 KB 20321 Re: Jupe's Tdpage Craig Chambers Fri 1/14/2000 1 KB From: Gabe Yedid Date: Fri Jan 14, 2000 4:33 am Subject: Re: Great Wall of China On 31 Dec 1999 electriccafe@w... wrote: > From: electriccafe@w... > > You're right Gabe, TD simply put in some new sounds at the beginning and end of the tracks, and then Mr. Korg takes over for some more of the same old tired sounds TD has been using for the majority of the '90s. I think it's time for a big change in gear! And before anyone says it isn't the gear that matters, remember TD in the '70s and '80s had new gear for almost every album, gotta keep it fresh or it all sounds the same. Don't get me wrong GWOC is a good album, but it's typical '90s TD. Ash OK, I've been sitting on these comments for some time now, and I think I'm going to reply finally: in short, I think this kind of attitude is total BS. I'm speaking for myself here, but I sincerely hope at least ONE other person will agree with the following comments. I decided to stick with listening to TD not just because of all the funky gear they have/had, but because they've also been able to produce what I felt was *good music* with it as well. Sure, it's true that sometimes a new instrument's capabilities will allow new musical possibilities to be realized, but that doesn't change the fact that a good piece is a good piece if you feel it's so, whether it's been done with state-of-the-art stuff or using synths for a more conventional musical approach. TD has done excellent things both ways. I really don't feel they *need* to always be acquiring new gear and constantly revamping their sound in order to keep producing quality music (whether or not you think they do a good job with whatever they do use is another issue). So, coming out with comments like the above--that TD's music is only worth listening to because of the constant rotation of gear and new timbres--is, in my mind, doing a disservice to TD as musicians and composers, since all this attitude towards their work (or that of any e-musician, really) does is reduce it to gimmickry. Once you get past the stage of 'oh, this recording is neat because of the use of Special Synths X and Y', what's left? Gabe NP: Vincent Persichetti: Symphony #6 for Band --a piece that has no out of the ordinary scoring, but is a gem anyway IMO. and oh yeah, I'll be weighing in with my own thoughts on GWoC soon enough. From: RBrown4856@a... Date: Fri Jan 14, 2000 4:50 am Subject: Oasis Better Than Mars Polaris! Greetings All! Well believe it or not after several listenings and reading several reviews on this list I am afraid I must admit I find Oasis to be superior to Mars Polaris.Don't get me wrong,I really like MP but there is something about Oasis that reminds me of TD in the 80's.If you really listen you will see what I mean.It is such a departure from their other latest releases. It is a lot less techno sounding and the drums don't overpower you in every track.I think Edgar may have had a bigger hand in the production of Oasis.It doesn't seem to fit between Goblin's Club and MP. As a matter of fact I was disappointed that it wasn't nominated for a Grammy.Not that they would have won anyway:>) I think Oasis was their best of the 90's alongside Dream Mixes 1 and 2.I would even go so far as including it as one of the Top Ten TD releases of all time! Come on everybody give it a REAL GOOD LISTEN! Okay guys let me have it! Rick NP:Sony Topping Off Ceremony CD From: 'Herod, Galen (NBC)' Date: Fri Jan 14, 2000 5:52 am Subject: RE: Great Wall of China and gear It's not that the gear is bad, It's just that sometimes TD doesn't go deep enough into the gear. Starting with Thief I could tell they were using the stock presets on the Sequential Circuits prophet 5. They were using sounds anyone could use, with the touch of a button. And they weren't doing anything special with them. And they were kind of silly over-the-top types of sounds too. That's what some of the detractors are saying. But I stick with them too. If there's just one good cut per disc, it's like no one else's, and well worth it. However, that's what was so great about the pre thief days. NO PRESETS. You had to come up with your own sounds, and the machines would respond differently all the time. Somehow that was more musical, more gestural and artistic. Galen > ---------- > From: Gabe Yedid > Reply To: tadream@o... > Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2000 8:33 PM > To: tadream@o... > Subject: Re: [tadream] Great Wall of China > > From: Gabe Yedid > > On 31 Dec 1999 electriccafe@w... wrote: > > > From: electriccafe@w... > > > > You're right Gabe, TD simply put in some new sounds at the beginning > and end of the tracks, and then Mr. Korg takes over for some more of the > same old tired sounds TD has been using for the majority of the '90s. I > think it's time for a big change in gear! And before anyone says it > isn't the gear that matters, remember TD in the '70s and '80s had new > gear for almost every album, gotta keep it fresh or it all sounds the > same. Don't get me wrong GWOC is a good album, but it's typical '90s > TD. Ash > > OK, > > I've been sitting on these comments for some time now, and I think I'm > going to reply finally: in short, I think this kind of attitude is total > BS. > > I'm speaking for myself here, but I sincerely hope at least ONE other > person will agree with the following comments. > > I decided to stick with listening to TD not just because of all the funky > gear they have/had, but because they've also been able to produce what I > felt was *good music* with it as well. Sure, it's true that sometimes a > new instrument's capabilities will allow new musical possibilities to be > realized, but that doesn't change the fact that a good piece is a good > piece if you feel it's so, whether it's been done with state-of-the-art > stuff or using synths for a more conventional musical approach. TD has > done excellent things both ways. I really don't feel they *need* to > always be acquiring new gear and constantly revamping their sound in order > to keep producing quality music (whether or not you think they do a good > job with whatever they do use is another issue). > > So, coming out with comments like the above--that TD's music is only worth > listening to because of the constant rotation of gear and new timbres--is, > in my mind, doing a disservice to TD as musicians and composers, since all > this attitude towards their work (or that of any e-musician, really) > does is reduce it to gimmickry. Once you get past the stage of 'oh, > this recording is neat because of the use of Special Synths X and Y', > what's left? > > Gabe > NP: Vincent Persichetti: Symphony #6 for Band > --a piece that has no out of the ordinary scoring, but is a gem > anyway IMO. > > and oh yeah, I'll be weighing in with my own thoughts on GWoC soon enough. > > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > Get great offers on top-notch products that match your interests! > Sign up for eLerts at: > Click Here > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Please practice listserv etiquette. To unsubscribe, e-mail > tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://tadream.copfer.com > > What are Chris Franke and Paul Haslinger up to these days? Find out at > http://www.haslinger.com and http://www.sonicimages.com/cf/! > > Because e-mail can be altered electronically, the integrity of this communication cannot be guaranteed. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20324 Re: Great Wall of China and gear Gabe Yedid Sat 1/15/2000 2 KB 20429 Re: Great Wall of China and gear F. H. Dumay Fri 1/21/2000 1 KB From: Steven Feldman Date: Fri Jan 14, 2000 6:45 am Subject: OASIS steps back; MARS POLARIS rockets forward. >Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 23:50:54 EST >Subject: Re: [tadream] Oasis Better Than Mars Polaris! >From: Tangerine Dream mailing list >Really-From: RBrown4856@a... > > Well believe it or not after several listenings and reading several >reviews on this list I am afraid I must admit I find Oasis to be >superior to Mars Polaris. Don't get me wrong,I really like MP but there >is somehing about Oasis that reminds me of TD in the 80's. [. . .] It >is such a departure from their other latest releases. That's because -- of all Tangerine Dream's work -- OASIS stands, perhaps, as the band's single biggest retread (I'm not counting out- and-out TANGENT-ized projects like BEYOND THE STORM, ZONING, SOHOMAN, and THE DREAM ROOTS collection), while MARS POLARIS stands as perhaps the band's biggest quantum leap forward since RUBYCON, EXIT or LE PARC. -- Steven Feldman From: 'Thomas' Date: Fri Jan 14, 2000 7:33 am Subject: SV: Great Wall of China and gear > From: 'Herod, Galen (NBC)' > > However, that's what was so great about the pre thief days. > NO PRESETS. > You had to come up with your own sounds, > and the machines would respond differently all the time. > Somehow that was more musical, more gestural and artistic. Hi Galen! Well put! I feel the same way. Nowadays it's too easy to obtain the 'perfect' sound, and my theory is that this very fact makes some muscians lazy and too comfortable. Tuning the instruments for every session really promoted creativity, and I suppose that's what I love about the old albums. They were all very unique. Don't get me wrong, there's nothing wrong with the TD output of today, it's just that it doesn't stand out and strike me as original anymore. It all sounds mass produced to me, and has a touch of 'industrial' to it - in the way that the product is too clean. I need more experimenting and play and improvisation to really enjoy the music. Thomas Helsingborg, Sweden From: TOMX01@a... Date: Fri Jan 14, 2000 11:26 am Subject: To France Hi there, I shall be unsubscribing for a while due to the fact that I have to travel to France on business for about five weeks. My email will still be active, so feel free to email me but I probably wont be able to check my mail until I return. As for the Art Of Vision list, well I'm sure my mailbox can handle a month of postings from there =) Hopefully I shall see some of you in Mirc tonight before I leave, assuming I can get into the new servers, if not I shall probably be lurking around the Web chat on the Copfer home page. All the best Tom (melrose) From: PENFOLD Date: Fri Jan 14, 2000 6:03 pm Subject: Someone got it Right! Was @ Borders lest night w/ wife.....picked up copy of Mars Polaris and did a little book browsing. Saw a music guide book to New Age and guess what? Tangerine Dream *isn't* listed! kudos to the author for his research Pete Isaacson DJ DreamHead mailto:penfold@a... 'We throw each piece of equipment three times out of the third floor of our studio complex. If it's still functioning properly, we'll take it on the road. If not, we send it back to Tokyo!...' -- Edgar Froese , on the way Tangerine Dream decides on which instruments to take on the road. From an interview in _Keyboard_ magazine. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Vic Rek > Hi Attila, > > this has to be ZONING. I believe the score is available via Repertoire records. > > Thomas > Helsingborg, Sweden If you watch the movie, you'll hear a different soundtrack than on the CD. This music is circulating around on CD-R. Vic From: 'Paul Fellows' From: 'joe shoults' -----Original Message----- > From: cinemafan [mailto:cinemafan@h...] > If you dont have the Border mag with the one page article on TD > and want it for your collection send me your address and a buck > to cover postage and I will get it out to you. This is for > completists only and I only have 5 copies so act quick if you > want it. States only please unless you want to pay for INT postage! > Subject: Keep Affair From: Gustavo Jobim > You're right Gabe, TD simply put in some new sounds at the beginning and end of the tracks, and then Mr. Korg takes over for some more of the same old tired sounds TD has been using for the majority of the '90s. I think it's time for a big change in gear! And before anyone says it isn't the gear that matters, remember TD in the '70s and '80s had new gear for almost every album, gotta keep it fresh or it all sounds the same. Don't get me wrong GWOC is a good album, but it's typical '90s TD. Ash Well, let's hope the '90s TD doesn't have a length any bigger than 10 years. gfj np Logos 2 (nice part at 5:00-6:00 which reminds me of Relentless/Twinsen's Odyssey soundtracks.) --- Gustavo F. Jobim gustavfj@m... gustavofj@h... From: Gustavo Jobim Fascinating how TD seems to have, not only fans of the old style and the >new, but of at least three different periods: 1)With Bauman 2)without Bauman >and 3)without Francke. And is there a fan of the Haslinger period? >Just a pity that none of these seem to attract my dear ones at home. > >Bye for now, >Olle --- Gustavo F. Jobim gustavfj@m... gustavofj@h... From: 'Craig Chambers' From: 'joe shoults' > > >A buddy of mine manages a Borders and told me he'd get as many copies of >this as I wanted. I told him I wanted a couple hundred. When I get them >(maybe I can stop by this weekend), I'll post to the list, and anyone can >send a SASE for me to send it back to you. I'll post my address once I've >picked up the mags. > >I'll also scan it and stick it up on the tadream.copfer.com website. > >I'll keep you all posted. > >Joe From: 'joe shoults' -----Begin Original Message----- .... I think it's time for a big > change in gear! And before anyone says it isn't the gear that > matters, remember TD in the '70s and '80s had new gear for > almost every album, gotta keep it fresh or it all sounds the > same. Don't get me wrong GWOC is a good album, but it's typical > '90s TD. Ash ------------- > I've been sitting on these comments for some time now, and I think I'm > going to reply finally: in short, I think this kind of attitude is total > BS. > > I'm speaking for myself here, but I sincerely hope at least ONE other > person will agree with the following comments. ... > done excellent things both ways. I really don't feel they *need* to > always be acquiring new gear and constantly revamping their sound in order > to keep producing quality music (whether or not you think they do a good > job with whatever they do use is another issue). > -----End Original Message----- From: 'Michael A Jean' -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Fellows [mailto:pfellows@c...] > Sent: Friday, January 14, 2000 1:51 PM > To: tadream@o... > Subject: Re : [tadream] New TD Film Discography > > > From: 'Paul Fellows' > > Hi all, > > A question. The film 'Zoning' was apparently filmed in 1986/1987, but the > soundtrack was recorded in 1994 and released in 1996! Why the > 8-year gap? > After Vic's message about different music on the original film, I get the > impression that perhaps the entire score was re-recorded before being > released on CD? > > Paul > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > GRAB THE GATOR! FREE SOFTWARE DOES ALL THE TYPING FOR YOU! > Tired of filling out forms and remembering passwords? Gator fills in > forms and passwords with just one click! Comes with $50 in free coupons! > Click Here > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Please practice listserv etiquette. To unsubscribe, e-mail > tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://tadream.copfer.com > > What are Chris Franke and Paul Haslinger up to these days? Find > out at http://www.haslinger.com and http://www.sonicimages.com/cf/! > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20327 Re: New TD Film Discography ZONING Paul Fellows Sat 1/15/2000 1 KB From: Gabe Yedid From: 'Herod, Galen (NBC)' > > However, that's what was so great about the pre thief days. > NO PRESETS. So, what about the Mellotron then? It's essentially an analogue sampler. It needs a whole bunch of pre-recorded, PRESET sounds in order to do anything. Come to think of it, has TD *ever* really gotten deeply into any instrument they acquired after 1979? As a case in point, aren't just about all the PPG Wave sounds heard throughout _Exit_ presets? Did TD ever make any of their own sounds with the Wave? Does it really matter? Presets or not, they took those timbres and made them their own. Those timbres were staples of the early '80s TD sound. Only TD used those particular sounds in those particular blends, and they were as much a musical signature as any. cheers, Gabe From: AOutland@xxx.xxx Date: Sat Jan 15, 2000 3:18 am Subject: Re: SV: Re : New TD Film Discography In a message dated 01/14/2000 1:14:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, torque19@i... writes: << This music is circulating around on CD-R. Vic >> Any way I can become part of that circle? 8-) Dell From: ptfinch@xxxx.xxx Date: Sat Jan 15, 2000 5:26 pm Subject: I want to give you my New CD Tony Stoufer One Swell Foop Tony Stoufer here, I few days ago I joined this list. I thought I would give away Three copies of my new CD One Swell Foop and see if I could get some feedback from the people on this list. I't may seem hard to believe but, I will send it to you if you promise to write me a note back about your impression of my music . I spent over three years writing about 45 songs. and put the most unique 12 on this CD One Swell Foop. I want some feedback from the nice people on this list if possible. so the first Three People who Email me their name and Physical address will get my cd for Free and I will pay shipping. What A Deal Hope to hear from you soon my Email Is PTFINCH@j... Thanks Tony Stoufer / Absolute Obscurity Records ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20331 Re: I want to give you my New CD Tony Stoufer On Michael A Jean Sat 1/15/2000 3 KB 20335 Re: I want to give you my New CD Tony Stoufer On Jens Peschke Sat 1/15/2000 1 KB 20336 Re: I want to give you my New CD Tony Stoufer On PhilPDX@xxx.xxx Sun 1/16/2000 1 KB From: 'Paul Fellows' From: 'Michael A Jean' > >I just assumed it was two different movies...Am I wrong? I have a tape of >the first zoning and it is in English, and seems to have nothing to do with >buildings... > >MJ > >> From: 'Paul Fellows' >> >> Hi all, >> >> A question. The film 'Zoning' was apparently filmed in 1986/1987, but the >> soundtrack was recorded in 1994 and released in 1996! Why the >> 8-year gap? >> After Vic's message about different music on the original film, I get the >> impression that perhaps the entire score was re-recorded before being >> released on CD? >> >> Paul From: 'Lawry Simm' From: 'Lawry Simm' Still, I hope that this incident provoked > other online retailers to beef up security. If this starts happening on a > regular basis, no one will order from them. Thing is, using your credit card over the net is no less secure than leaving behind a CC slip (with number and signature on) in any normal store. A couple of months back, I got a call from Visa Fraud section and asked me about some dates and transaction values all of which I had no idea of. The odd thing was that the card had tried to be used in Malaysia on the same day that I had used it in good old England. Luckily Visa were on the ball and saw this and declined the Malaysian transactions (which totalled about £2500 so I'm glad they did!). I was baffled however, as I thought that this was due to some internet shenanigans, but this particular credit card I had never used on the net as it had a high credit limit and I didn't trust using it. (Top tip, get a credit card with the lowest possible credit limit and dedicate it's use to the internet. That way if you do get screwed it's for minimal amounts). Then about a month after that, I was dealing with the arrest of a guy who ran a local Chinese restaurant, funnily enough for credit card fraud. When we were getting a list together of compromised credit card numbers, lo and behold, mine was there too! Seems he had been selling on the card details to some guys in the far east that were making duplicate cards. Needless to say I no longer eat at that establishment! But it goes to show that you run the risk of getting ripped off every time you leave a valid CC number and expiry date with someone. Regards, Lawry lawrysimm@u... ICQ # 23267226 Instant Messenger - lawrysimm From: 'Lawry Simm' From: 'Michael A Jean' -----Original Message----- > From: ptfinch@j... [mailto:ptfinch@j...] > Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2000 11:26 AM > To: tadream@o... > Subject: [tadream] I want to give you my New CD Tony Stoufer One Swell > Foop > > > From: ptfinch@j... > > Tony Stoufer here, > I few days ago I joined this list. > I thought I would give away Three copies of my new CD One Swell Foop and > see if I could get some feedback from the people on this list. > I't may seem hard to believe but, I will send it to you if you promise to > write me a note back about your impression of my music . > I spent over three years writing about 45 songs. and put the most unique > 12 on this CD One Swell Foop. I want some feedback from the nice people > on this list if possible. > so the first Three People who Email me their name and Physical address > will get my cd for Free and I will pay shipping. > What A Deal > Hope to hear from you soon > > my Email Is > PTFINCH@j... > Thanks Tony Stoufer / Absolute Obscurity Records > > ________________________________________________________________ > YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! > Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! > Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > Want to send money instantly to anyone, anywhere, anytime? > You can today at X.com - and we'll give you $20 to try it. Sign > up today at X.com. It's quick, free, & there's no obligation. > Click Here > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Please practice listserv etiquette. To unsubscribe, e-mail > tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://tadream.copfer.com > > What are Chris Franke and Paul Haslinger up to these days? Find > out at http://www.haslinger.com and http://www.sonicimages.com/cf/! > > From: pergamon@xxxxxxx.xx Date: Sat Jan 15, 2000 7:31 pm Subject: RE: (tadream) Great Wall of China and gear > From: 'Herod, Galen (NBC)' > > However, that's what was so great about the pre thief days. > NO PRESETS. > You had to come up with your own sounds, > and the machines would respond differently all the time. > Somehow that was more musical, more gestural and artistic. Hi Galen It is your own choice if you want to use preset sounds or not, you still have to come up with your own sounds today. If you f.ex. chose to use the guitar-sound used by ATB in '9 pm til I come', everyone would just say, we heard that one before and you couldn't get it out on the market. There is some meaning in the return of the analogue-synth, many synth today is analogue and have the same form of realtime-knobs, that lets you create a unique sound from gig to gig. Of cause today you have the option to save you sound in the synth, on disk etc. which let you play the exactly same sound, the next time. On the old synths you had to remember how you created the sound, but whats wrong in being able to save you sound. TD f.ex. has used a lot of preset sounds up through the 90', which is a bit sad, when you know they are capable of making new great sounds. TD-music is still great, but I will agree with some of you that mayby it's time that TD tried something new, explore new sides of their creativity, style, etc. etc. Jan From: 'Pergamon' To: Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2000 6:26 PM Subject: [tadream] I want to give you my New CD Tony Stoufer One Swell Foop > From: ptfinch@j... > > Tony Stoufer here, > I few days ago I joined this list. > I thought I would give away Three copies of my new CD One Swell Foop and > see if I could get some feedback from the people on this list. > I't may seem hard to believe but, I will send it to you if you promise to > write me a note back about your impression of my music . > I spent over three years writing about 45 songs. and put the most unique > 12 on this CD One Swell Foop. I want some feedback from the nice people > on this list if possible. > so the first Three People who Email me their name and Physical address > will get my cd for Free and I will pay shipping. > What A Deal > Hope to hear from you soon > > my Email Is > PTFINCH@j... > Thanks Tony Stoufer / Absolute Obscurity Records > > ________________________________________________________________ > YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! > Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! > Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > Want to send money instantly to anyone, anywhere, anytime? > You can today at X.com - and we'll give you $20 to try it. Sign > up today at X.com. It's quick, free, & there's no obligation. > Click Here > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Please practice listserv etiquette. To unsubscribe, e-mail tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://tadream.copfer.com > > What are Chris Franke and Paul Haslinger up to these days? Find out at http://www.haslinger.com and http://www.sonicimages.com/cf/! > > From: PhilPDX@xxx.xxx Date: Sat Jan 15, 2000 9:41 pm Subject: TD items for sale Hi, everyone. Time to whittle down the collection a bit. The following TD items are for sale. Price includes postage. Sonambulistic Imagery (2-CD – Laguna Hills, CA 6/6/86) $35 Mystery Tracks Vol. 1 (Flashpoint + Quinoa + others) $20 Rockoon Special Edition CD single (Rockoon/Oriental Haze/Edgar Froese Interview) $12 Beyond the Storm (Edgar Froese 2-CD) $20 Legend $8 Rockoon $7 Miracle Mile $7 Electronic Meditation (Relativity Records, not the Castle remastered reissue) $6 If outside the continental U.S., add $1 each CD (e.g. $2 for Sonambulistic Imagery). Please email me off list if interested, thanks. Phil From: 'Jens Peschke' From: PhilPDX@xxx.xxx Date: Sun Jan 16, 2000 3:03 am Subject: Re: I want to give you my New CD Tony Stoufer One Swell Foop In a message dated 1/15/00 3:36:58 PM Pacific Standard Time, joxbox@h... writes: > From: 'Jens Peschke' > > Speaking of promoting your own music. > If you fency listening to a new project featuring myself > called Navigator check: > > ftp://212.59.33.11/upload/Jens/NCS_A1.MP3 I tried it, got stuck at 39% loaded, and wouldn't go any further. Could just be wonderful ol' AOL, I suppose. Anyone else get it to work? (actually, is anybody even out there? the list seems awfully quiet today....) Phil From: Chris Richards > Alright, I can do this one too: Pink Years: Alpha Centauri Virgin: Cyclone Blue: Poland Other: I don't like any of the post Livemiles albums I've heard. Live: Well, if we're talking legit releases, it's a toss up between Encore and Logos. If we can include bootlegs, I'll go with Montreal 77. ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris Death Before Dishonour Dishonour Before Disco __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From: Synthhtnys@xxx.xxx Date: Sun Jan 16, 2000 9:12 am Subject: D:Studio [White Eagle] Mojave Plan: We enter by way of the familiarly unfamiliar musical landscapes conjured up by our heroes, and soon we are traveling through some kind of futuristic city sparkling with sequencer geometry's. Not real crazy about the drums here, sorry folks, just doesn't work for me. Not truly obnoxious, but doesn't add anything to the music to my ears... Does anyone know what that 'flute' sound that comes in about 7:00 is from? Another favorite German group from this time period used it a lot (Klaus Doldingers Passport...) To me the highlights of this piece are the sequencing and the solo's... Johannes played a few real screamers here, ( at least I'm assuming it's Johannes) I like the part at about 10:00 minutes in that sounds like falling from a great height, then morphs into a train-like rhythm.. It sounds familiar, like they used this rhythm somewhere else....(?) anyone have a clue what word it is they say that's really distorted at about 12:30? By the time White Eagle came out I had friends who up to that point just did not want to know about TD, come up and tell me that they Loved W. E. I noticed a shift to (relatively speaking) popular acceptance at this point more than before ... at least in my experience...It was closer to say, Alan Parsons Project, or Passport .... something familiar ... which is really Ironic to say about TD the dripping acid surreal band.... I love the strange orchestral climax at 18:13.... The ending always reminded me of Force Majeure... Midnight in Tula: Here they started rocking a bit more.... I have to say it sounds almost comical now, but hey, this was '82 New Wave still existed... ;-) I remember cranking this one up pretty loud. Hey there's those Franke 'bird sounds' flying by!!! Cyclonesque minor vibe.... pop! crash! boink! snap! gulp! Convention of the 24 I suspect this title is a reference to a Rosicrucian idea.... It has a very strong Froese flavor to my ears... This is really going to sound off-the-wall, but I get a desert vibe from this era of Froese.... The only criticism I have is It starts off with everything going at once and doesn't change much.... It's a great piece on a certain level, but I feel could have been 'Orchestrated' better... White Eagle: Now this is the one that shines for me on this album... I feel this is a moment of perfection for them... A constantly modulating sparkling sequence ... a heavenly muted string melody, then an emotionally charged bell melody....Claps of thunder Lightning bolt distorted keyboard riff @2:40 I suspect this is the sound that went through 5 big muffs... The legend I remember was that Christopher had one for every oscillator of (I think) a Prophet 5...Listen to how crisp that sound is...... Usually when I try putting keys through distortion it sounds too muddy.... Now this one I would have liked to go on longer..... Poly Paul Ellis / Secret Fire Music Synthhtnys@a... Work-in-progress : Appears to Vanish (solo) Member: Dweller at the Threshold http://threshold.opb.org Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20344 Re: D:Studio [White Eagle] Gustavo Jobim Mon 1/17/2000 1 KB 20353 Re: D:Studio [White Eagle] Nigbur D Mon 1/17/2000 2 KB 20362 Re: D:Studio [White Eagle] Gustavo Jobim Tue 1/18/2000 1 KB 20462 D:Studio [White Eagle] Gustavo Jobim Sun 1/23/2000 2 KB 20595 D:Studio [White Eagle] Quarlie@a... Fri 1/28/2000 6 KB 20608 Re: D:Studio [White Eagle] Michael A Jean Sat 1/29/2000 1 KB From: 'Paul Fellows' From: PhilPDX@xxx.xxx Date: Sun Jan 16, 2000 10:50 pm Subject: Re: Re: Fave Albums by period Pink: Atem - love the tom toms booming to start this out, and tons of mellotron throughout! Virgin: I can only pick one? Hmm, I've gotta pick one Baumann and one Schoelling, even that is tough. Ricochet and Logos Live (followed closely by Tangram and Exit). Blue: Poland, without a doubt. I have the full 2-CD version, the 'excerpts' version, and I think I'd like to get the Castle version, because I like Tangent, but don't really need the extra five minutes of odd bleeping noises at the end of Barbakane. Best live: Poland, again. Phil From: 'Michael A Jean' -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Fellows [mailto:pfellows@c...] > Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2000 4:32 PM > To: tadream@o... > Subject: [tadream] Re: Unicorn Radio Version > > > From: 'Paul Fellows' > > Hi all, > > I have a compilation cassette (pretty ropey quality) of rare TD > tracks that > was recorded for me years ago, and I have since managed to get all the > tracks on it on CD, except one. It is listed as being 'Unicorn Radio > Version', from Legend of course, but it is much longer than the album > version, and it is completely instrumental, so it's not the same > track that > appears on the 'Electronic Orgy' bootleg. > > Can anybody tell me the origin of this unusual track? > > Thanks > > Paul > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > Get great offers on top-notch products that match your interests! > Sign up for eLerts at: > Click Here > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Please practice listserv etiquette. To unsubscribe, e-mail > tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://tadream.copfer.com > > What are Chris Franke and Paul Haslinger up to these days? Find > out at http://www.haslinger.com and http://www.sonicimages.com/cf/! > > From: Gustavo Jobim From: Gustavo Jobim From: Gustavo Jobim I like the part at about 10:00 minutes in that sounds >like falling from a great height, then morphs into a train-like rhythm.. >It sounds familiar, like they used this rhythm somewhere else....(?) In Tangram Set 1, I guess? The last time I listened to these songs was more than one week ago (have been completely immersed in Le Parc and Underwater)... Well, I think Tangram had a similar rhythm somewhere. gfj --- Gustavo F. Jobim gustavfj@m... gustavofj@h... From: Gustavo Jobim From: PhilPDX@xxx.xxx Date: Mon Jan 17, 2000 4:09 am Subject: Re: Livemiles from Austria In a message dated 1/16/00 4:34:39 PM Pacific Standard Time, gustavfj@m... writes: > Made in Austria CD, by Caroline Records, number CAROL CD 1349. > > The four first tracks are four parts of the first concert, and the last > three, three parts of the second concert. Have you ever heard of this > version? Is this real, I mean, does this version really have 7 tracks, not > only 2? Yes, that's the original release, the same one I have. The label just doesn't match the indexing as far as the number of tracks. I don't know if the Castle Communications reissue is different, other than the cover art. Phil From: PhilPDX@xxx.xxx Date: Mon Jan 17, 2000 4:13 am Subject: Re: What's wrong with D:Studio [Cyclone] ??? In a message dated 1/16/00 4:24:10 PM Pacific Standard Time, gustavfj@m... writes: > And I just want to ask: what's wrong with Cyclone?! I think it's just Steve Joliffe's singing that puts most people off. I agree with you, the music itself is good - awfully prog rockish, though. More cliched than most of their material, at least from that era, IMO. Phil From: 'Heiko Heerßen' From: 'Heiko Heerßen' From: Nigbur D ---------- > From: Heiko Heer?en[SMTP:heiko.heerssen@h...] > Reply To: tadream@o... > Sent: 17 January 2000 07:33 > To: tadream@o... > Subject: [tadream] D:Studio [White eagle] > > From: 'Heiko Heerßen' [...snip...] > I was so thrilled by that song (and this was the 'better' version, not > the one which can be found on the White eagle album) that on the next > Better version?? Well, let's say it is the more catchy, minimalist version. Personally, I prefer the album version with this uniquely delicate fuzziness of the melody...mmmmmm.... [...snip...] > The 'Mojave plan' track was the opener of the second set on TD's > European tour which started in October 1981...Whereas the album version > ended after 20+ minutes the live version did go on for another 25 > minutes and featured some brilliant and as yet unreleased tunes. There > has also been a live broadcast on German radio (or TV?) which saw TD > performing the 'Mojave plan' with an Orchestra > (09.12.1981)....absolutely brilliant if you'd ask me! > IS THERE A RECORDING OF THIS CONCERT AROUND SOMEWHERE? Dennis From: 'Simon Slator' Date: Mon Jan 17, 2000 10:42 am Subject: D:Studio [White eagle] White Eagle is the TD album I play most on my way to work and, in my opinion, the best of the JS-era behind 'Tangram'. If I were to pick out the album's good points, you'd have an e-mail that would take you about 2 weeks to read. My only complaint is that, on 'Midnight in Tula', their rhythm section sounds rather weak. The song suggests something really driving (similar to the sound on 'Thief'), yet the bass and drum sections sound particularly empty. It's one of those songs that could've benefited from the skin-poundings of either Chris Franke or Klaus Krieger. Favourite Tracks: 'White Eagle' and the mid-section of 'Mojave Plan' [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20355 D:Studio [White eagle] Patrik . Mon 1/17/2000 2 KB 20356 Re: D:Studio [White eagle] Grant M Somerville Mon 1/17/2000 2 KB 20357 Re: D:Studio [White eagle] Radu Velicescu Mon 1/17/2000 2 KB From: 'Derk' Date: Mon Jan 17, 2000 10:44 am Subject: Mojave Plan Nigbur D wrote: >> The 'Mojave plan' track was the opener of the second set on TD's >> European tour which started in October 1981...Whereas the album version >> ended after 20+ minutes the live version did go on for another 25 >> minutes and featured some brilliant and as yet unreleased tunes. There >> has also been a live broadcast on German radio (or TV?) which saw TD >> performing the 'Mojave plan' with an Orchestra >> (09.12.1981)....absolutely brilliant if you'd ask me! >> >IS THERE A RECORDING OF THIS CONCERT AROUND SOMEWHERE? I believe a version of Mojave Plan was played during the second part of the 1982 Sydney concert. The first part was released recently on the Sohoman album. I think that the plan was to release the second part of that concert as well. Let's hope that long version of MP is on it! Derk From: Nigbur D Date: Mon Jan 17, 2000 11:17 am Subject: RE: D:Studio [White Eagle] I think this train sound appears in the middle of Force Majeure somewhere. Dennis > ---------- > From: Gustavo Jobim[SMTP:gustavfj@m...] > Reply To: tadream@o... > Sent: 17 January 2000 00:08 > To: tadream@o... > Subject: Re: [tadream] D:Studio [White Eagle] > > From: Gustavo Jobim > > >I like the part at about 10:00 minutes in that sounds > >like falling from a great height, then morphs into a train-like rhythm.. > >It sounds familiar, like they used this rhythm somewhere else....(?) > > In Tangram Set 1, I guess? The last time I listened to these songs was > more > than one week ago (have been completely immersed in Le Parc and > Underwater)... Well, I think Tangram had a similar rhythm somewhere. > > gfj > > --- > Gustavo F. Jobim > gustavfj@m... > gustavofj@h... > > > _____ > > ONElist Sponsor > Please click above to support our sponsor > > _____ > > Please practice listserv etiquette. To unsubscribe, e-mail > tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://tadream.copfer.com > > What are Chris Franke and Paul Haslinger up to these days? Find out at > http://www.haslinger.com and http://www.sonicimages.com/cf/! > > From: Nigbur D Date: Mon Jan 17, 2000 11:28 am Subject: RE: D:Studio [Lily on the Beach] Lily is such a nice album... Seriously, I have always thought of it as the most pure and beautiful manifestation of the sound they adopted between Optical Race and Melrose. Definitely more American influences than on their earlier albums, sounding quite funky and jazzy at times, and sounding light and fresh from beginning to end. Although Melrose might be more sophisticated in terms of structure and composition, I think it lacks the lightness of touch that this album demonstrates. And although the pieces are kept deliberately short to avoid over-elaboration, it creates a unique atmosphere. A time-lapse one, if you like, but it still takes you through all the stages necessary to invoke the desired mood. The first three tracks are a good illustration of this point, taking you from the fires of hell right up into the air (figuratively speaking, of course). Sit back and enjoy. Dennis > ---------- > From: Gustavo Jobim[SMTP:gustavfj@m...] > Reply To: tadream@o... > Sent: 16 January 2000 23:42 > To: tadream@o... > Subject: [tadream] D:Studio [Lily on the Beach] > > From: Gustavo Jobim > > Hello folks. > > I just got LOTB, Livemiles and Cyclone. > I want to share with you some thoughts on the subject. > I heard what I was expecting; types of sounds between Le Parc-Underwater > Sunlight and 220 Volt. > > LOTB has many pleasant melodies, some good tracks (such as Radio City) and > many other qualities. I only heard this album once, so far. > > However, it's inevitable the 'Hey, this is a good album, but I think it > could be better somehow...' feeling. > > I guess that's it. Maybe I'll write something better later. > > gfj > > --- > Gustavo F. Jobim > gustavfj@m... > gustavofj@h... > > > _____ > > ONElist Sponsor > Please click above to support our sponsor > > _____ > > Please practice listserv etiquette. To unsubscribe, e-mail > tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://tadream.copfer.com > > What are Chris Franke and Paul Haslinger up to these days? Find out at > http://www.haslinger.com and http://www.sonicimages.com/cf/! > > From: 'Patrik .' Date: Mon Jan 17, 2000 5:58 pm Subject: D:Studio [White eagle] Mojave Plan: What´s it all about really? Edwards Air Force Base? A landing site for the Space Shuttle? Mojave desert...hm. I could never figure out what the Plan was? :-) The intro has a 'Remote Viewing' touch to it. The 'crying' PPG voices and how it all leads us into intricate sequencers and once again distorted Moog and Prophet solos. But I don´t think that Mojave Plan comes anywhere near Tangram or Exit. No...sorry, I think it lacks some emotion. Midnight in Tula: This has to be Mr Franke. All the way. It´s kind of hip. But does it leave any marks? Convention...: Excellent sequencers (PPG) and a clear Froesian feel to it. But a bit too static for me. It gives me an Indian feeling. White Eagle: Yes sir! That´s more like it. Wow...the sequencers really talk here. Beautiful chords that makes this track move. The PPG theme (yepp, it was rather popular in those days!) is soooo strong and the odd sampled voices and percussive elements fit in just like that. It´s so light, it´s really breathing! This is where Johannes saves the entire Mojave project! I like White Eagle very very much. It´s the only track that I listen to nowadays. My overall feeling, well, something is lost here, the beauty of Tangram, the minimalistic experiments in Exit are gone and what have you got instead? Patrik, Stockholm, Sweden ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20356 Re: D:Studio [White eagle] Grant M Somerville Mon 1/17/2000 2 KB 20357 Re: D:Studio [White eagle] Radu Velicescu Mon 1/17/2000 2 KB From: Grant M Somerville Date: Mon Jan 17, 2000 10:12 pm Subject: Re: D:Studio [White eagle] 'Heiko Heerßen' wrote: > From: 'Heiko Heerßen' > >snip > > The 'Mojave plan' track was the opener of the second set on TD's > European tour which started in October 1981...Whereas the album version > ended after 20+ minutes the live version did go on for another 25 > minutes and featured some brilliant and as yet unreleased tunes. > > > Heiko > Never a truer word spoken, Heiko. If Edgar has that final 25 minutes on some tape somewhere, that would be my idea of a booster package!! Remember that guitar : ) -- Kind Regards, Grant. Grant M Somerville Glasgow, Scotland. Looking for Live Music Recordings...try http://freespace.virgin.net/grant.somerville/2index.html SOUNDCHECK [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Radu Velicescu Date: Mon Jan 17, 2000 10:34 pm Subject: Re: D:Studio [White eagle] > From: Grant M Somerville > > 'Heiko Heerßen' wrote: > > > From: 'Heiko Heerßen' > > >snip > > > > The 'Mojave plan' track was the opener of the second set on TD's > > European tour which started in October 1981...Whereas the album version > > ended after 20+ minutes the live version did go on for another 25 > > minutes and featured some brilliant and as yet unreleased tunes. > > > > > > Heiko > > > > Never a truer word spoken, Heiko. If Edgar has that final 25 minutes on some tape somewhere, that would be my idea of a booster > package!! Remember that guitar : ) > > -- Kind Regards, Grant. Very, very true. But do you remember that guitar being removed from Bondy Parade? If we ever see part 2 of that concert the guitar will most likely be nuked. Still, Soundmill Navigator is soon coming out (by TDI release dates March 2000 might turn out to be August 2000). Let's see what they did to that recording. Maybe someone listened to the fans and left the recording alone, otherwise the 'classic concert' series may be called 'concert mixes 1, 2, ...'. Radu From: Grant M Somerville Date: Tue Jan 18, 2000 12:25 am Subject: Unreleased material of 1981 Radu Velicescu wrote: > From: Radu Velicescu > > > From: Grant M Somerville > > > > 'Heiko Heerßen' wrote: > > > > > From: 'Heiko Heerßen' > > > >snip > > > > > > The 'Mojave plan' track was the opener of the second set on TD's > > > European tour which started in October 1981...Whereas the album version > > > ended after 20+ minutes the live version did go on for another 25 > > > minutes and featured some brilliant and as yet unreleased tunes. > > > > > > > > > Heiko > > > > > > > Never a truer word spoken, Heiko. If Edgar has that final 25 minutes on some tape somewhere, that would be my idea of a booster > > package!! Remember that guitar : ) > > > > -- Kind Regards, Grant. > > Very, very true. But do you remember that guitar being removed from Bondy > Parade? If we ever see part 2 of that concert the guitar will most likely > be nuked. Still, Soundmill Navigator is soon coming out (by TDI release > dates March 2000 might turn out to be August 2000). Let's see what they > did to that recording. Maybe someone listened to the fans and left the > recording alone, otherwise the 'classic concert' series may be called > 'concert mixes 1, 2, ...'. > > Radu > > - You expect to get Soundmill Navigator this year!! : ) Martin, I'm really, really only kidding ;-) Having said that, maybe a soundbite of it at TDI would be nice! -- Kind Regards, Grant. Grant M Somerville Glasgow, Scotland. Looking for Live Music Recordings...try http://freespace.virgin.net/grant.somerville/2index.html SOUNDCHECK [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Grant M Somerville Date: Tue Jan 18, 2000 12:37 am Subject: chat Hi, Does anybody use the chat room link at copfer.com -- Kind Regards, Grant. Grant M Somerville Glasgow, Scotland. Looking for Live Music Recordings...try http://freespace.virgin.net/grant.somerville/2index.html SOUNDCHECK [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20370 Re: chat joe shoults Tue 1/18/2000 2 KB 20379 Re: chat Michael A Jean Wed 1/19/2000 3 KB 20383 Re: chat Grant M Somerville Wed 1/19/2000 2 KB 20385 Re: chat joe shoults Wed 1/19/2000 1 KB 20387 Re: chat Grant M Somerville Wed 1/19/2000 1 KB 20395 Re: chat AOutland@a... Thu 1/20/2000 1 KB 20396 Re: chat Gustavo Jobim Tue 1/18/2000 1 KB 20400 Re: chat Michael A Jean Thu 1/20/2000 2 KB 20407 Re: chat Craig Chambers Thu 1/20/2000 1 KB From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Tue Jan 18, 2000 1:21 am Subject: Stratosfear 1995 WOW!!!!! p.s. short message huh? p.p.s. Well, this message may not be so short. Just occurred to me: are the other remixes (from any album, including Dream Mixes, Timesquare, Tangents and so on) as great as this one? --- Gustavo F. Jobim gustavfj@m... gustavofj@h... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20366 Re: Stratosfear 1995 =?iso-8859-1?Q?Micha=B3_Kupcz Tue 1/18/2000 1 KB 20368 Re: Stratosfear 1995 Gustavo Jobim Tue 1/18/2000 1 KB From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Tue Jan 18, 2000 1:02 am Subject: The last 10 TD-years I don't know if I'm picking only the good ones from the 90s, but really, so far I didn't see anything bad about the 90s albums. I just got Tyranny. OK, I'm still listening to Catwalk right now, but that's very good music to my ears! So far I have Lily on the Beach (not really 90s, but it's from 1989 and Jerome was already there), 220 Volt and Tyranny of Beauty. I'm about to get Dream Mixes and Goblins' Club. I hope these are as good as the ones I already have... And about LOTB: what is it about, anyway? OK, the titles of the songs have similar influences of themes, and the songs themselves are also around the same idea, but I can't see the concept. Where is the lily? It's not like Le Parc or Underwater, which had very noticeable moods and you could say: 'yeah, these songs make me think of water in some way... Birdwatcher's Dream: another good song. Mumble: aren't they tired of the word 'dream'??? Desert Dream, Tangerine Dream, Bird's Dream, Dream Mixes, Book of Dreams, Dream Roots, Dream Encores, blahblahblah. --- Gustavo F. Jobim gustavfj@m... gustavofj@h... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20369 Re: The last 10 TD-years Jared White Tue 1/18/2000 3 KB From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Tue Jan 18, 2000 1:36 am Subject: RE: D:Studio [White Eagle] >I think this train sound appears in the middle of Force Majeure somewhere. It's right after the first part with the main theme. --- Gustavo F. Jobim gustavfj@m... gustavofj@h... From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Tue Jan 18, 2000 1:41 am Subject: Re: Livemiles from Austria >> Made in Austria CD, by Caroline Records, number CAROL CD 1349. >> >> The four first tracks are four parts of the first concert, and the last >> three, three parts of the second concert. Have you ever heard of this >> version? Is this real, I mean, does this version really have 7 tracks, not >> only 2? > >Yes, that's the original release, the same one I have. The label just >doesn't match the indexing as far as the number of tracks. I don't know if >the Castle Communications reissue is different, other than the cover art. > >Phil You're talking about that version with a strange drawing on the cover, something like a rock if I remember well? This version has the full 2 tracks with 29 and 27 minutes each. --- Gustavo F. Jobim gustavfj@m... gustavofj@h... From: 'Heiko Heerßen' Date: Tue Jan 18, 2000 7:22 am Subject: Soundmill Navigator Radu Velicescu wrote: > Very, very true. But do you remember that guitar being removed from Bondy > Parade? If we ever see part 2 of that concert the guitar will most likely > be nuked. Still, Soundmill Navigator is soon coming out (by TDI release > dates March 2000 might turn out to be August 2000). Let's see what they > did to that recording. Maybe someone listened to the fans and left the > recording alone, otherwise the 'classic concert' series may be called > 'concert mixes 1, 2, ...'. Oh my...what will 'Soundmill Navigator' sound like when it's going to be released (or should I say re-released ;-) this year....to me this was one of the ultimate TD compositions ever...those CF sequencers, this ED guitar..aaaaahhhh!! I put this on par with the best from 'Stratosfear' to let you know just _how_ much I adore this epic. So far I have only listened to this 30 minute track although I once read that a 20+ minute encore has also been broadcasted. When Soundmill Navigator gets released I bet that it will be another 'spot the difference' competition amongst us TD completists.. But I'll buy it anyway...helpless TD addict that I am ;-) Heiko Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 21527 Soundmill Navigator Hermes Guzman Fri 3/31/2000 3 KB 21528 Re: Soundmill Navigator Jared White Fri 3/31/2000 3 KB 21530 Re: Soundmill Navigator Hermes Guzman Fri 3/31/2000 2 KB 21531 Re: Soundmill Navigator Gabe Yedid Fri 3/31/2000 2 KB 21538 Soundmill Navigator Heiko Heerssen Fri 3/31/2000 2 KB 21576 Re: Soundmill Navigator horrod6 Sun 4/2/2000 2 KB 21581 Soundmill Navigator Michael V Miller Sun 4/2/2000 2 KB 21591 Soundmill Navigator Heiko Heerssen Mon 4/3/2000 3 KB 21598 Soundmill Navigator Michael V Miller Mon 4/3/2000 2 KB From: Mario Pacheco Date: Tue Jan 18, 2000 8:50 am Subject: Ratikon and Phaedream 4 sale If you are interested on these bootlegs please check http://auctions.yahoo.com/user/mapachecol Thanks __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From: 'Micha³ Kupczyk' Date: Tue Jan 18, 2000 10:55 am Subject: RE: Stratosfear 1995 p.p.s. Well, this message may not be so short. Just occurred to me: are the other remixes (from any album, including Dream Mixes, Timesquare, Tangents and so on) as great as this one? --- Gustavo F. Jobim gustavfj@m... gustavofj@h... +++ Gustavo, That depends on how You like the original track. One have to be a 'genious' to make Stratosfear sounds bad - whatever You do with that. Regards Michael [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Thomas' Date: Tue Jan 18, 2000 12:02 pm Subject: SV: Stratosfear 1995 There are a couple of remixes of 'Stratosfear' in the 'Tangents' 5CD-box. They are: Disc 1: Stratosfear 10:45 (original 10:37) Disc 2: Invisible Limits 08:52 (original 11:24) Despite being heavily tangentized, I think it's still very tasteful. If you don't count the early studio overdubbings on live material, then this has to be the best 'tangentizing' to date. The original material is still very dominating, and the new details never take the upper hand. In my own opinion they sometimes even add to the quality of the original material. The remixes from 'Stratosfear' are some of the best from this terrific CD box. Well done, Mr.Froese! :o) The 'Stratosfear 1995' track from 'Tyranny of Beauty' is a very good remix too, but very different. I think it's without a doubt the best track of that album. Unfortunately it's so good that it almost stands out and make the other tracks sound bad in comparison... ;O) Hope the info helps, Thomas Helsingborg, Sweden > From: Gustavo Jobim > > WOW!!!!! > > > > > > p.s. short message huh? > > p.p.s. Well, this message may not be so short. Just occurred to me: are the > other remixes (from any album, including Dream Mixes, Timesquare, Tangents > and so on) as great as this one? > > --- > Gustavo F. Jobim From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Tue Jan 18, 2000 5:13 pm Subject: RE: Stratosfear 1995 > Gustavo, > > That depends on how You like the original track. One have to be a >'genious' to make Stratosfear sounds bad - whatever You do with that. > > Regards > > Michael Yeah, that's true. >From: 'Thomas' > >There are a couple of remixes of 'Stratosfear' in the 'Tangents' 5CD-box. They are: >Disc 1: >Stratosfear 10:45 >(original 10:37) >Disc 2: >Invisible Limits 08:52 >(original 11:24) I meant the remixes in general, not only from Stratosfear. --- Gustavo F. Jobim gustavfj@m... gustavofj@h... From: 'Jared White' Date: Tue Jan 18, 2000 6:08 pm Subject: Re: The last 10 TD-years Hi, Gustavo! > I don't know if I'm picking only the good ones from the 90s, but really, so > far I didn't see anything bad about the 90s albums. You see? You see? Actually, hehe, IMHO you're picking some of the worse albums of the 90's. :) So you still have some great surprises in store for you! > I just got Tyranny. OK, I'm still listening to Catwalk right now, but > that's very good music to my ears! Yup, Catwalk's a great track. It's right in the middle of the '90's epic opening track' series, so I think it's better than most of the rest of the album. > So far I have Lily on the Beach (not really 90s, but it's from 1989 and > Jerome was already there), 220 Volt and Tyranny of Beauty. I'm about to get > Dream Mixes and Goblins' Club. I hope these are as good as the ones I > already have... Better -- much, MUCH better! > And about LOTB: what is it about, anyway? OK, the titles of the songs have > similar influences of themes, and the songs themselves are also around the > same idea, but I can't see the concept. Where is the lily? It's not like Le > Parc or Underwater, which had very noticeable moods and you could say: > 'yeah, these songs make me think of water in some way... LOTB used to be my absolute most hated TD album. I've recently started to warm up to it, but it's still FAR from being my favorite. I don't really know if there is any concept to get! To me, Rockoon (one of the really 'bad' 90's albums, according to some) is light-years ahead of LOTB, so I don't see why Rockoon is so panned all the time. > Birdwatcher's Dream: another good song. > > Mumble: aren't they tired of the word 'dream'??? Desert Dream, Tangerine > Dream, Bird's Dream, Dream Mixes, Book of Dreams, Dream Roots, Dream > Encores, blahblahblah. I guess Dream is a sort of trademark with them....let's hope they don't try to TM Dream.... ;) Looking forward to hearing your reaction to Goblin's Club -- tied with Turn of the Tides (and sometimes Mars Polaris) for my favorite album of the 90's. Take care, Jared From: 'joe shoults' Date: Tue Jan 18, 2000 6:53 pm Subject: RE: chat I was checking in there last Friday (have from time to time), as I thought someone had mentioned they were going there, but no, I haven't actually used it yet. I set it up because I already have 3 e-mail clients and ICQ, so i'd prefer a browser-based utility rather than having to install *yet another* program in MIRC. Actually, I downloaded the installer, but would rather not deal with learning a new program. the tadream chat, being browser-based, is a no-brainer, and no installation of anything needed. I suppose it would take someone with the initiative to say 'hey- let's chat XXday at XX:OO time', then whomever shows up, shows up... My schedule is too crazy, but I might jump in if somebody else picked a time... joe > -----Original Message----- > From: Grant M Somerville > Hi, > Does anybody use the chat room link at copfer.com From: Vic Rek Date: Wed Jan 19, 2000 12:18 am Subject: Okefenokee Details - Time to Reserve Your Spot! A few friends have asked about the details of the Okefenokee Swamp trip. It looks like we may even have some live EM from The Nederlands. Please read carefully. > The Ultimate TD fan Y2K event has passed it's first stage... > > We have a date, place, and time! > > April 9-12, 2000! > > I have reserved two cottages that sleep 8 people each (16 total of > course). Everyone else is very much welcome but you must find other > accomodations, such as the tent sites across from the cottages (about 30 > meters of forest from the cottages). I can help you do this of course. > > The date is NOW cast in stone (even though I couldn't get the full moon > date - just a day's difference) > > 'The Okefenokee @ 3AM' event will start at: > > 12:00 noon April 9 and will continue through April 13th (possibly). > > I would hope that many fans would show on the 9th (after travelling) and > we start the TD celebration. You must be in the park by 8:30PM or you > will be locked out - NO KIDDING! The Federal Forest Rangers are > responsible for this. > > For those that need to make a Saturday Night stay (Michael Jean, Joel - > anyone else), you are welcome to my modest home in Atlanta. We can drive > down Sunday morning. Yes, I think we can rent a van for this trip. I > will provide the cheapest travel information from the airport to my home > - there will also be a kick-off party in respect for TD! All are invited > and are welcome to play their favorite TD track! > > OK - Saturday night at my house - APRIL 8th! > > Now, this is a first come first serve event and anyone that commits is > expected to pay for any incurred expenses. I request a $40 up front > payment to cover the basic costs. WE may have other costs such at canoe > rental and overnight swamp travel (optional or course). > > This trip will require some 'stamina' (if you wish), so be advised. > > I plan on having Marcel attend (Marcel, contact me off list please) and > I (really 'us') also plan to release a fan only CD-R of the event. There > is also an amphitheatre available in case we are going to experience a > 'grand performance'. We can always only wish?. PS. This is a very > desolate part of south eastern United States. > > Now, for the sign up list... I have: > > 1. Myself (family stays home for this) > 2. Roger & Wife (from Florida) > 4. Tom George (from Tennessee) > > We go to 16 before we go to the tents.... Please e-mail me on or > off-line. > > Vic > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20375 Re: Okefenokee Details - Time to Reserve Your Spo Jens Peschke Wed 1/19/2000 1 KB 20384 Re: Okefenokee Details - Time to Reserve Your Spo K.E Wed 1/19/2000 2 KB 20392 Re: Okefenokee Details - Time to Reserve Your Spo Vic Rek Wed 1/19/2000 1 KB From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' Date: Wed Jan 19, 2000 12:17 am Subject: List members recomendation Hi Guys I guess its time I ventured out a little . I have decided to spend a few of my hard earned coins on a couple of albums from ex members of TD starting with Christopher Franke. Can any of you point me in the right direction as to the buys and the avoids from Christopher. Thanks in advance, ' Orch ' Carl .#ICQ 38818818. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20373 Re: List members recomendation Jens Peschke Wed 1/19/2000 2 KB 20374 Re: List members recomendation Sean Montgomery Wed 1/19/2000 2 KB 20377 Re: List members recomendation Steven Le Vine Wed 1/19/2000 2 KB 20380 Re: List members recomendation Joe Shoults Wed 1/19/2000 2 KB 20381 Re: List members recomendation Nigbur D Wed 1/19/2000 4 KB 20394 Re: List members recomendation AOutland@a... Thu 1/20/2000 1 KB 20403 Re: List members recomendation tom george Thu 1/20/2000 1 KB 20411 Re: List members recomendation Jens Peschke Thu 1/20/2000 2 KB 20416 Re: List members recomendation tom george Thu 1/20/2000 3 KB From: 'Jens Peschke' Date: Wed Jan 19, 2000 12:37 am Subject: Re: List members recomendation > From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' > > Hi Guys I guess its time I ventured out a little . > I have decided to spend a few of my hard earned coins on a couple of albums > from ex members of TD starting with Christopher Franke. > Can any of you point me in the right direction as to the buys and the avoids > from Christopher. If you're looking for the typical Franke (TM) sequencer work I'd recommend 'The London Concert' and 'KLEMANIA'. If still money's left 'Pacific Coast Highway' , being a tad sweetish even new-agish in parts, isn't bad either. Listen to any of Babylon 5 stuff before you buy - there are some excellent bits buried in there but it's different from the regular TD stuff. There are some real stinkers amongst Franke's albums. Ask Vic about one in particular. I can't remember how it was called (tv-series soundtrack) but I really felt better when that stinker left my house. Dooh. Franke trying to do mainstream American soap opera rock of some sort. Nothing against American soap operas, the world really needs them to survive. Compared to this TD's 'Hollywood years 1&2' and even 'Jim&Pablo' are the dogs bollox ! Best Regards Jens From: Sean Montgomery Date: Wed Jan 19, 2000 12:41 am Subject: Re: List members recomendation > Can any of you point me in the right direction as to the buys and the avoids > from Christopher. I'd recommend the London Concert for sure, and after that maybe Klemania. The former is his most TD-like (he even does three TD 'cover versions'), and the latter his most dynamic (i.e. it has some techno/dance influences). Both are available on CD Now for 12.99, and if you go to this webpage you can get another 3-10 bucks off: http://www.stormloader.com/cdshopper/default.htm Beyond that, he has a ton of soundtrack work, and I find it all pretty unremarkable...although others may disgaree. He also embraced the whole New Age label to an extent that Edgar never did. This led him to do free-good crud like Enchanting Nature and the Celestine Prophecy. It's just the kind of stuff you'd expect to hear playing in a shop selling dream catchers and healing crystals. I suppose there's a market for it....but it's not my bag, baby. SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: 'Jens Peschke' Date: Wed Jan 19, 2000 12:46 am Subject: Re: Okefenokee Details - Time to Reserve Your Spot! Hi Vic, > From: Vic Rek > > A few friends have asked about the details of the Okefenokee Swamp trip. > It looks like we may even have some live EM from The Nederlands. Sadly I can't make it , but as I'll be in the studio with Navigator on exactly that weekend (really!) in the upmost north of Denmark we might do a 'Okefenokee Swamp Memorial' track called 'stuck in the north on the way to Okefenokee at 1 a.m' send an mpeg file over to you guys on Saturday. The time delay given (GMT+1), it would arrive in time.... Marcel and Paul can even play along easily if they like. Other than that enjoy your trip, buddy ! :-) Best Regards Jens From: PhilPDX@a... Date: Wed Jan 19, 2000 4:44 am Subject: Re: Franke recomendations In a message dated 1/18/00 4:52:15 PM Pacific Standard Time, sean@t... writes: > > Can any of you point me in the right direction as to the buys and the > avoids > > from Christopher. > > I'd recommend the London Concert for sure, and after that maybe Klemania. > The former is his most TD-like (he even does three TD 'cover versions'), > and the latter his most dynamic (i.e. it has some techno/dance > influences). > > Beyond that, he has a ton of soundtrack work, and I find it all pretty > unremarkable...although others may disgaree. He also embraced the whole > New Age label to an extent that Edgar never did. This led him to do > free-good crud like Enchanting Nature and the Celestine Prophecy. It's > just the kind of stuff you'd expect to hear playing in a shop selling > dream catchers and healing crystals. I suppose there's a market for > it....but it's not my bag, baby. Sean hit the nail on the head as far as I'm concerned. When I was more of a TD completist, I had a bunch of Franke solo stuff, but it's just not that good, IMO. The only ones I've kept are London Concert and Klemania. At least Froese's solo stuff is mostly older, from their prime period. I just picked up Ages. It still bites that they cut the Golgatha closing track, but otherwise it's great to have it. Should've released it on 2 CDs to keep it intact. Phil From: 'Steven Le Vine' Date: Wed Jan 19, 2000 4:54 am Subject: Re: List members recomendation Greetings Friend 'Orch', I definately agree with my associates in regards to London Concert. However, I LIKE Enchanting Nature. It is very relaxing! If that is what you are looking for. ;) I have alot of the B5 Cds. The best, as I have said numerous times, is Sleeping in Light. I got Klemania recently, I like it, but it has not 'grown' on me yet. It somehow reminds me of 220 Volt. Where like the other CD's are melow or surreal, etc. This is kinda 'rockin'. BTW, If it is applicable, ebay has The London Concert at a steal. As well as other stuff. Happy Purchasing Carl! siberkat ---------- >From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' > Hi Guys I guess its time I ventured out a little . > I have decided to spend a few of my hard earned coins on a couple of albums > from ex members of TD starting with Christopher Franke. > Can any of you point me in the right direction as to the buys and the avoids > from Christopher. > Thanks in advance, ' Orch ' Carl .#ICQ 38818818. > From: Quarlie@a... Date: Wed Jan 19, 2000 5:18 am Subject: D:Studio [Exit] Here are my thoughts on 'Exit,' late as usual. This was the first TD album I ever heard. Everything started when I went to a planetarium show at the Cleveland Museum of Natural History. Some amazing music unlike anything I had ever heard (although I hadn't heard very much at that point, as my age was still a single digit) was played before the show, so afterward, my mother and I asked the astronomer what it was. He said that while the album he had played was not available in the US, it was by a member of a band called 'Tangerine Dream.' This information was filed for future reference, and then, on my next birthday, I received a cassette of 'Exit.' Thus began what is sure to be a lifetime addiction to TD. One question remains with me: what WAS that album he was playing? One last note before I move on to the tracks--I have the definitive edition of this one, also, and Schmoelling is still misidentified. Geesh. --- 1. Kiew Mission Rather than starting with weird noises or a melody, this one starts with a gon g. There are some vague rustling/whispering sounds in the background, and then a few long portamento slides, some upward and some downward. These lead into that 'Beat It' sound, along with a funky beat (the first time I can think of TD using such a rhythm). One of the group's signature 'rolling' sequences shows up. The lead melody is beautiful, wistful and contemplative. At about 1:45, someone (uncredited, as far as I could tell) arrives and starts whispering in Russian. This is a unique effect, totally unlike Steve Jolliffe's bizarre ramblings on TD's previous experiment with vocals. A stirring new lead appears at about 3:20, and after about a minute it breaks down by way of a subtle filter sweep (the effect formerly known as bzzeowww; thanks to Poly for letting me know the correct term). After a bridge featuring what sounds like a pitch-bending bell, the second section of the track begins. It's a bit less interesting, with a simple chord progression (sounds a bit like a harpsichord) and what sound like more filter sweeps (could be another portamento effect, though; I have little knowledge of old synths). Around 6:15, a slightly guitarish synth lead appears. I like this bit a lot, especially the little flourish at 6:44. This section, too, breaks down at about 7:40. There's a bass drone, and some eerie chords above it. I never noticed it until now, but this is a bit like one of the parts of 'Logos.' Then the previous section experiences a brief revival, as the track fades out. Pretty impressive. I like the first section best, as well as the short bridge with the bass drone. --- 2. Pilots of Purple Twilight This one doesn't take any time to get going. It has no drums that I can detect, but is fairly intense nonetheless. There's a subtly propulsive sequence, which gains layers with time, and some tense keyboard chords, in front of some other synthy noises. A haunting but driving lead melody appears at 1:27 and doesn't look back. Some of those filter sweeps show up soon, as well. Perhaps it's a little repetitive, overall, but I find it very effective. It seems like it ends a bit too soon, but perhaps it would be too repetitive if it went on longer. --- 3. Choronzon Another funky beat opens the third track, along with an unusually high-pitched sequence. The melody that begins at about 1:05 still blows my mind after all this time. It's huge and majestic; perhaps a tad overdone, but I've never been sensitive to musical excess, so it's fine with me. Weird voicelike effects at about 1:40 lead into a buildup of chords, followed by the corresponding breakdown, which comes by way of a long downward slide and some odd thumping sounds. Describing them is hard, but maybe it's like thunder distilled into a drum. Or maybe I'm just weird. The original theme returns not too long afterward. This is a cool, upbeat track. I particularly like the way it ends, with a whoosh AND a filter sweep. Two effects for the price of one. --- 4. Exit The title track uses a simple 4/4 thump for the beat, which I believe TD didn't do very often in the '80s. The accompanying bass sequence is fairly simple too. The melodies above it are somewhat mournful and subdued. I hear more whooshes and knob-turnings in the background. The liveliness of the xylophone-like sound that starts at about 2:10 contrasts interestingly with the slow, steady beat and melancholy melody. There's a brief thunderstorm starting at about 3:30. I love this effect. It really contributes to the atmosphere. After a short respite, it returns at about 4:40. This isn't the most eventful piece of music, but it's worthwhile, especially considering the rainstorm effects. (As a side note, some people have said that they like Dean de Benedictis' version of this piece, from 'Tangerine Ambience,' more than the original. I gave the cover version another listen and decided that I prefer the original. Although there are some nice synth sounds in the cover, the drums sound a bit cheap, and there's no thunderstorm. Nonetheless, it is an enjoyable and respectful interpretation. No Orbliteration here.) --- 5. Network 23 Wow, that's a weird noise. It is soon supplanted, however, by a catchy disco/proto-techno beat and layers of shimmery synthesizers. What produces that amazing violin-like sound that starts at 0:50? I love it. In fact, I love everything in this track. There's another whoosh/filter sweep pairing at about 1:55. No matter how many times they use that trick, it never fails to 'get' me. Where'd that piccolo-sounding thing come from? There's so much happening in this piece that it's hard to keep track of it all. I get a somewhat vague mental picture, perhaps something like being inside a computer, except with better lighting. If my mental picture is accurate, it doesn't look the way Intel would have us believe it looks. This one ends way, way too soon, but even so it's my favorite track on the album. I've never heard anything like it before or since. --- 6. Remote Viewing This quiet track might actually convince someone that Peter Baumann WAS in the group at the time, as the definitive edition claims. ;) It sounds very dark (in color, that is--not necessarily threatening, just dark), with an ambient intro that goes for almost two and a half minutes before a lead and sequence emerge. This lead, resembling a flute, is one of the most haunting melodies I've ever heard. The sequence is subtle and hypnotic. At 6:20, another sequence is layered onto the first one, and things get a little louder, but not much. That particular moment as the new sequence arrives might be my favorite part of the track. About two minutes later, the 'flute' brings the album to a close. --- After all this time, I still haven't gotten tired of this album. It's currently my favorite TD album of the '80s, although that decade is the part of my collection with the most gaps (I don't yet have 'Pergamon' or 'Thief,' and I have very little of the Blue Years). It's true that some of the tracks end too quickly, but they're enjoyable enough to give it the edge over my runners-up, 'Logos' and 'White Eagle.' Speaking of which, I have to get started on my review of the latter... --Daniel (Quarlie) NP: Genesis--Abacab Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20397 Re: D:Studio [Exit] PhilPDX@a... Thu 1/20/2000 1 KB From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Wed Jan 19, 2000 5:28 am Subject: RE: chat I think that would be preferable..I always have trouble with MIRC... > -----Original Message----- > From: joe shoults [mailto:joes@c...] > Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2000 12:53 PM > To: tadream@o... > Subject: RE: [tadream] chat > > > From: 'joe shoults' > > I was checking in there last Friday (have from time to time), as I thought > someone had mentioned they were going there, but no, I haven't > actually used > it yet. I set it up because I already have 3 e-mail clients and > ICQ, so i'd > prefer a browser-based utility rather than having to install *yet another* > program in MIRC. Actually, I downloaded the installer, but would rather > not deal with learning a new program. the tadream chat, being > browser-based, is a no-brainer, and no installation of anything needed. > > I suppose it would take someone with the initiative to say 'hey- > let's chat > XXday at XX:OO time', then whomever shows up, shows up... My schedule is > too crazy, but I might jump in if somebody else picked a time... > > joe > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Grant M Somerville > > > Hi, > > Does anybody use the chat room link at copfer.com > > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > Get great offers on top-notch products that match your interests! > Sign up for eLerts at: > Click Here > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Please practice listserv etiquette. To unsubscribe, e-mail > tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://tadream.copfer.com > > What are Chris Franke and Paul Haslinger up to these days? Find > out at http://www.haslinger.com and http://www.sonicimages.com/cf/! > > From: 'Joe Shoults' Date: Wed Jan 19, 2000 6:41 am Subject: RE: List members recomendation IMHO, the whole is greater than the sum of its parts when comparing any solo work to the FFB or FFS years of TD. But it would seem to his credit that CF has such a wide range, running the gamut from the ultralight 'dream catchers and healing crystals' stuff (LOL! good one!) to stuff too heavy for my tastes (some of the B5 stuff). Actually, give me Celestine Prophecy any day, as well as the London Concert or Klemania! BTW: all of these CF albums are available for low-bandwidth (but pretty durn good for free) preview with RealPlayer off our 'RealAudio' page: Celestine Prophecy London Concert Klemaina Transformation of Mind with Deepak Chopra Enchanting Nature NP: Celestine Prophecy- fantastic relaxation material! ...now, let's see... where did I put my dream catcher? > -----Original Message----- ... > > Can any of you point me in the right direction as to the buys > and the avoids from Christopher? ------- From: Nigbur D Date: Wed Jan 19, 2000 12:18 pm Subject: RE: List members recomendation I would recommend Pacific Coast Highway for an interesting impression of the kind of music Franke wanted to play after TD, whilst still being unable to purge the influence of the other members of the band completely. It is very melodic and light, with the short pieces giving the impression of a showcase for things to come rather than one of the later symphonic works. There is some delicate sequencing, however, and one gets the impression that an attempt to incorporate this style into TD after 1987 might have proved fruitful...but then, there were all sorts of reasons for why this would and could not happen. The London Concert is a bit similar, but with a more over-arching structure. I would, however, argue that this doesn't work terribly well for the very light and delicate style Franke is adopting here...the music flows quite nicely, but remains at a more or less constant intensity throughout the concert, which makes it hard to listen to this one all the way through. There are some gems here too, but a lot of the material is either cover versions of TD compositions (e.g. Cloudburst Flight) or pieces strongly reminiscent of some of TD's live oeuvre. If you want to check out a completely different direction, try the B5 soundtracks. Personally, I love them, but then I'm a Fiver anyway. This is a LOT more orchestral and dynamic, and constitutes the best mix of orchestral/classical and electronic/rock elements I have heard so far. You can really hear the blend of classic TD, Franke's earlier solo stuff, and orchestral music here. I would recommend that you try the two 'official' releases first before moving on to the episodic soundtracks. I don't want to differentiate between the two - they are both excellent - although the second helping may be a bit more manageable. Dennis > ---------- > From: Carl & Jacqui > Kearney[SMTP:carl-jacqui@k...] > Reply To: tadream@o... > Sent: 19 January 2000 00:17 > To: TD EMAIL > Subject: [tadream] List members recomendation > > From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' > > Hi Guys I guess its time I ventured out a little . > I have decided to spend a few of my hard earned coins on a couple of > albums > from ex members of TD starting with Christopher Franke. > Can any of you point me in the right direction as to the buys and the > avoids > from Christopher. > Thanks in advance, ' Orch ' Carl .#ICQ 38818818. > > > _____ > > ONElist Sponsor > Please click above to support our sponsor > > _____ > > Please practice listserv etiquette. To unsubscribe, e-mail > tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://tadream.copfer.com > > What are Chris Franke and Paul Haslinger up to these days? Find out at > http://www.haslinger.com and http://www.sonicimages.com/cf/! > > From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Wed Jan 19, 2000 1:17 pm Subject: Nicola NIcola, Any message I send to your email address is bouncing back...Do you have an alternate address? A thousand pardons for bringing this to the list... Regards, Michael A. Jean Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20386 Re: Nicola joe shoults Wed 1/19/2000 1 KB 20398 Re: Nicola Michael A Jean Thu 1/20/2000 2 KB From: Grant M Somerville Date: Wed Jan 19, 2000 3:14 pm Subject: Re: chat joe shoults wrote: > From: 'joe shoults' > > I was checking in there last Friday (have from time to time), as I thought > someone had mentioned they were going there, but no, I haven't actually used > it yet. I set it up because I already have 3 e-mail clients and ICQ, so i'd > prefer a browser-based utility rather than having to install *yet another* > program in MIRC. Actually, I downloaded the installer, but would rather > not deal with learning a new program. the tadream chat, being > browser-based, is a no-brainer, and no installation of anything needed. > > I suppose it would take someone with the initiative to say 'hey- let's chat > XXday at XX:OO time', then whomever shows up, shows up... My schedule is > too crazy, but I might jump in if somebody else picked a time... > > joe > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Grant M Somerville > > > Hi, > > Does anybody use the chat room link at copfer.com > OK then, If anybody wants to try I'll be there at 22.00 GMT for a couple of nights. Any takers? -- Kind Regards, Grant. Grant M Somerville Glasgow, Scotland. Looking for Live Music Recordings...try http://freespace.virgin.net/grant.somerville/2index.html SOUNDCHECK [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'K.E' Date: Wed Jan 19, 2000 3:32 pm Subject: Re: Okefenokee Details - Time to Reserve Your Spot! Message: 10 Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 01:46:09 +0100 From: 'Jens Peschke' Subject: Re: Okefenokee Details - Time to Reserve Your Spot! Hi Vic, > From: Vic Rek > > A few friends have asked about the details of the Okefenokee Swamp trip. > It looks like we may even have some live EM from The Nederlands. Sadly I can't make it , but as I'll be in the studio with Navigator on exactly that weekend (really!) in the upmost north of Denmark we might do a 'Okefenokee Swamp Memorial' track called 'stuck in the north on the way to Okefenokee at 1 a.m' send an mpeg file over to you guys on Saturday. The time delay given (GMT+1), it would arrive in time.... Year, Why not! After all that´s what the internet is for, right! Kent (Living in the 'Memorial swamp of Okefenokee' in Denamrk) From: 'joe shoults' Date: Wed Jan 19, 2000 9:38 pm Subject: RE: chat what time is that US EST, anybody? what if we ran a survey to determine the best day of the week for this? is there enough interest? joe > -----Original Message----- > From: Grant M Somerville [mailto:Grant.Somerville@V...] ... > OK then, > If anybody wants to try I'll be there at 22.00 GMT for a couple of nights. > Any takers? > > From: 'joe shoults' Date: Wed Jan 19, 2000 9:38 pm Subject: RE: Nicola Hey Michael- thanks for being mindful, but just to let you know- this list is intended to help people get together, too- your post was entirely ON-topic! joe > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael A Jean [mailto:michaeljean@e...] ... > NIcola, > > Any message I send to your email address is bouncing back...Do you have an > alternate address? A thousand pardons for bringing this to the list... > Regards, > > Michael A. Jean From: Grant M Somerville Date: Wed Jan 19, 2000 10:03 pm Subject: Re: chat joe shoults wrote: > From: 'joe shoults' > > what time is that US EST, anybody? > > what if we ran a survey to determine the best day of the week for this? is > there enough interest? > > joe > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Grant M Somerville [mailto:Grant.Somerville@V...] > .. > > OK then, > > If anybody wants to try I'll be there at 22.00 GMT for a couple of nights. > > Any takers? > > > > > > I think that will be -6 GMT for Eastern Seaboard (I think) -- Kind Regards, Grant. Grant M Somerville Glasgow, Scotland. Looking for Live Music Recordings...try http://freespace.virgin.net/grant.somerville/2index.html SOUNDCHECK [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Bennett Cookson Date: Wed Jan 19, 2000 11:06 pm Subject: RE: List members Franke recomendation I recommend 'Enchanting Nature.' Yes it leans more toward 'New age,' but high quality new age the way it should be and not the low quality stuff you often hear! It is a great album, and offers a good introduction to Franke's work. Also a great album to introduce to friends. --Bennett Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20402 Re: List members Franke recomendation tom george Thu 1/20/2000 1 KB From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' Date: Wed Jan 19, 2000 11:43 pm Subject: franke Thanks. Hey you guys crack me up. ( Dream catchers, ROFLOL ) Thanks for all your imput guys, have just ordered Klemania and enchanting nature will let you know how I get on . Best regards Carl . From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' Date: Wed Jan 19, 2000 11:47 pm Subject: Bar Music. Hey guys just an update really , called into my local bar tonight for a swift one ( not been in for about 4 months ) and they still have the TD albums I supplied them on the juke box and they are apparently still being played most evenings. Success I think. Best regards ' Orch ' Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20408 Re: Bar Music. Gabe Yedid Thu 1/20/2000 1 KB 20409 Re: Bar Music. joe shoults Thu 1/20/2000 1 KB From: AOutland@a... Date: Thu Jan 20, 2000 12:04 am Subject: Re: Sequent A I believe somebody mentioned Sequent A recently? and gave a site to check out the midi? I don't believe it was a TD song, but I would like to know who it is? Please re-send the site, or give any information you may have on the group? Thanks. 8-) Dell From: Vic Rek Date: Wed Jan 19, 2000 11:56 pm Subject: Re: Re: Okefenokee Details - Time to Reserve Your Spot! Hi Kent - We await your memorial track! Vic > From: 'K.E' > Sadly I can't make it , but as I'll be in the studio with Navigator on > exactly that weekend > (really!) in the upmost north of Denmark we might do a 'Okefenokee Swamp > Memorial' track > called 'stuck in the north on the way to Okefenokee at 1 a.m' send an > mpeg > file over to you guys on Saturday. The time delay given (GMT+1), it > would > arrive in time.... > > Year, Why not! After all that´s what the internet is for, right! From: AOutland@a... Date: Thu Jan 20, 2000 12:22 am Subject: Re: List members recommendations re: Franke In a message dated 01/18/2000 7:28:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, carl-jacqui@k... writes: << Can any of you point me in the right direction as to the buys and the avoids from Christopher. >> I like London Concert mostly because of its nearness in sound to Tangerine Dream music. Once he finished that he began to find his own way a bit. My next choice would be Babylon 5, not the cut up versions of the scripts, but the real long theme one. Finally, and this may sound odd to many of you, but I love Perry Rhodan, Pax Terra even including the singing parts. Hope this helps. 8-) Dell From: AOutland@a... Date: Thu Jan 20, 2000 12:25 am Subject: Re: List members recomendation In a message dated 01/18/2000 7:44:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, joxbox@h... writes: << There are some real stinkers amongst Franke's albums. Ask Vic about one in particular. I can't remember how it was called (tv-series soundtrack) >> Oh yes, that would have to be The Raven I believe. Awful. 8-)Dell From: AOutland@a... Date: Thu Jan 20, 2000 12:46 am Subject: Re: chat In a message dated 01/19/2000 10:15:24 AM Eastern Standard Time, Grant.Somerville@V... writes: << OK then, If anybody wants to try I'll be there at 22.00 GMT for a couple of nights. Any takers? -- Kind Regards, Grant. >> Ouch! That's a bit late! I'm there now (7:45 pm EST) if anyone would like to join me. 8-) Dell From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Tue Jan 18, 2000 7:43 pm Subject: RE: chat >I suppose it would take someone with the initiative to say 'hey- let's chat >XXday at XX:OO time', then whomever shows up, shows up... My schedule is >too crazy, but I might jump in if somebody else picked a time... > >joe #tadream is at EFnet, isn't it? Why don't we pick sometime in the next weekend? Saturday midnight GMT, perhaps ? np Phaedra LP (woohoo). The last time I listened to this track was 2 months ago. What a sin. (now at Edgar's mellotron part, in the finale) --- Gustavo F. Jobim gustavfj@m... gustavofj@h... From: PhilPDX@a... Date: Thu Jan 20, 2000 3:40 am Subject: Re: D:Studio [Exit] Very enjoyable, detailed comments, Daniel. Exit was my first exposure to TD, a sentimental favorite, and still in my top two or three. I found it interesting that you liked Network 23 the best. I like it a lot, but people sometimes bash it for its unabashed cuteness. :-) I love the whole CD, every note of it. There's something to be said for short and sweet. Phil From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Thu Jan 20, 2000 4:06 am Subject: RE: Nicola Can anyone point me to his website? > -----Original Message----- > From: joe shoults [mailto:joes@c...] > Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2000 3:39 PM > To: Tadream-list > Subject: RE: [tadream] Nicola > > > From: 'joe shoults' > > Hey Michael- > thanks for being mindful, but just to let you know- this list is > intended to > help people get together, too- your post was entirely ON-topic! > > joe > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Michael A Jean [mailto:michaeljean@e...] > .. > > NIcola, > > > > Any message I send to your email address is bouncing back...Do > you have an > > alternate address? A thousand pardons for bringing this to the list... > > Regards, > > > > Michael A. Jean > > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > GRAB THE GATOR! FREE SOFTWARE DOES ALL THE TYPING FOR YOU! > Tired of filling out forms and remembering passwords? 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ID Date Size 20412 Re: Troubles connecting to EFnet Flemming Larsen Thu 1/20/2000 2 KB From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Thu Jan 20, 2000 4:06 am Subject: RE: chat 5 or 6 pm, depending on daylight savings (I think) > -----Original Message----- > From: joe shoults [mailto:joes@c...] > Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2000 3:39 PM > To: tadream@o... > Subject: RE: [tadream] chat > > > From: 'joe shoults' > > what time is that US EST, anybody? > > what if we ran a survey to determine the best day of the week for > this? is > there enough interest? > > joe > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Grant M Somerville [mailto:Grant.Somerville@V...] > .. > > OK then, > > If anybody wants to try I'll be there at 22.00 GMT for a couple > of nights. > > Any takers? > > > > > > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > Get great offers on top-notch products that match your interests! > Sign up for eLerts at: > Click Here > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Please practice listserv etiquette. To unsubscribe, e-mail > tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://tadream.copfer.com > > What are Chris Franke and Paul Haslinger up to these days? Find > out at http://www.haslinger.com and http://www.sonicimages.com/cf/! > > From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Thu Jan 20, 2000 4:43 am Subject: off-topic and not TD-related: my first track Hello folks I started trying to use the fast tracker 2.08 software, because I want to make some music (yes, compose, be a musician). I just finished making my second track (I'm still working on the first). It's called Cacophony, and it's a .XM track. It's really a cacophony, and it has nothing to do with TD, but I think it's an interesting track. I'd like to know if anyone wants to have a listen. The zipfile is around 790 kbytes. I used four free samples, 3 from the sample samples from MAZ's No.1 Instruments CD and the fourth, the clap sample from DemoPack, a standard samples package for making basic and demo tracks. If anyone wants to hear some cacophony and express their opinion about the track, just let me know. gfj p.s. another detail about Cacophony: it's 4:24 long. --- Gustavo F. Jobim gustavfj@m... gustavofj@h... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20404 Re: off-topic and not TD-related: my first track Kevin Earley Thu 1/20/2000 1 KB 20415 Re: off-topic and not TD-related: my first track Grant M Somerville Thu 1/20/2000 2 KB From: 'tom george' Date: Thu Jan 20, 2000 2:00 pm Subject: RE: List members Franke recomendation -- On Wed, 19 Jan 2000 16:06:35 Bennett Cookson wrote: >From: Bennett Cookson > >I recommend 'Enchanting Nature.' i noticed no one has recommended 'Epic'. to me, this is a beautiful introduction to Frankes work and contains the best pieces from his best albums and even a couple of new cuts. a great beginning. tom Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com From: 'tom george' Date: Thu Jan 20, 2000 2:04 pm Subject: Re: List members recomendation -- > ><< There are some real stinkers amongst Franke's albums. Ask Vic about > one in particular. I can't remember how it was called (tv-series soundtrack) > >> > > Oh yes, that would have to be The Raven I believe. Awful. 8-)Dell > i don't believe that is the one he is speaking of Dell. i would say it is 'Pacific Blue'. Tom Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com From: 'Kevin Earley' Date: Thu Jan 20, 2000 1:08 pm Subject: Re: off-topic and not TD-related: my first track Hey Gustavo, Why don't you upload Cacophony to the Shared Files area of Onelist? That way everyone can give it a listen, if they want. Kevin Earley kearley@r... np: Robert Rich & Alio Die - Fissures From: nicola@a... Date: Thu Jan 20, 2000 2:42 pm Subject: NICOLA IS ALWAYS PRESENT Hi Michael, I've send two emails to you, one to paulepopo1@y... and one to michaeljean@e... Please answer me at Nicola@a... or Nicola.Cont@t... Regards From: Steven Feldman Date: Thu Jan 20, 2000 3:53 pm Subject: THE GREAT WALL OF CHINA: TRANSSIBERIA meets WHAT A BLAST? Feh. I've only played THE GREAT WALL OF CHINA all the way through three times, now, but I am not too thrilled. It's not *bad*, but it's not really *good*, either. In overall feeling, it strikes me as the missing link between TRANSSIBERIA and WHAT A BLAST, although there are distinct sounds which harken back to LIVE MILES and ROCKOON (especially 'Penguin Reference' or 'Body Corporate'). There are indeed some 'orientalisms' in some of the tracks; there appears to be some sampling of asian children's vocals here and there. Many of the tracks are of the slow, pointless variety, like 'Dies Martis' (the last track on MARS POLARIS), but not as bad as 'Lhasa' (from the TDI version of QUINOA). In fact, this CD strikes me as being even more tepid than DESTINATION BERLIN, in many ways -- including the presence of the harpsichord preset mixed way up front in at least one instance. I usually hate new TD albums the first 10 or 20 times I play them, so it's early yet. I'll repost re this CD in a few weeks or months once I have something nicer to say. ;) (Remember, I thought TYRANNY OF BEAUTY bit for over a year, and disliked MARS POLARIS for a few weeks, and disliked STRATOSFEAR for about 15 (!) years.) -- Steven Feldman - - - - - - - Quip: 'Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.' --Albert Einstein Another: 'Science is to investigate the unexplained, not to 'explain' the uninvestigated.' --Stanton Friedman, nuclear physicist and UFO researcher From: 'Craig Chambers' Date: Thu Jan 20, 2000 3:03 pm Subject: Re: chat >joe shoults wrote: > >> From: 'joe shoults' >> >> what time is that US EST, anybody? >> >> what if we ran a survey to determine the best day of the week for this? is >> there enough interest? >> >> joe >> >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Grant M Somerville [mailto:Grant.Somerville@V...] >> .. >> > OK then, >> > If anybody wants to try I'll be there at 22.00 GMT for a couple of nights. >> > Any takers? >> > >> > >> >> > >I think that will be -6 GMT for Eastern Seaboard (I think) > Actually, EST is GMT-5, so 2200 would be 5pm on the eastern side of the continent... Craig From: Gabe Yedid Date: Thu Jan 20, 2000 6:17 pm Subject: Re: Bar Music. On Wed, 19 Jan 2000, Carl & Jacqui Kearney wrote: > From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' > > Hey guys just an update really , called into my local bar tonight for a > swift one ( not been in for about 4 months ) and they still have the TD > albums I supplied them on the juke box and they are apparently still being > played most evenings. > Success I think. > Best regards ' Orch ' Hehe, this must be an unusually open-minded crowd that frequents this bar. ;) Gabe From: 'joe shoults' Date: Thu Jan 20, 2000 7:05 pm Subject: RE: Bar Music. yes, I would rate that as a success! joe > -----Original Message----- > From: Carl & Jacqui Kearney ... > Hey guys just an update really , called into my local bar tonight for a > swift one ( not been in for about 4 months ) and they still have the TD > albums I supplied them on the juke box and they are apparently still being > played most evenings. > Success I think. From: 'joe shoults' Date: Thu Jan 20, 2000 7:45 pm Subject: chat (RE: Troubles connecting to EFnet) that's why we're talking about using the chat on the tadream site instead. you don't have to install anything. I have never tried the IRC thingy, but why should I even bother if I can just use my browser? In all fairness, there MAY be good reasons to use IRC, but I don't know. ICQ has a chat function that has funny little bells and whistles, like being able to 'honk' or 'laugh' at someone, but I don't know how necessary that is. The chat is at: http://tadream.copfer.com, click on 'Chat'. joe > -----Original Message----- > From: Gustavo Jobim [mailto:gustavfj@m...] > Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2000 11:13 PM > To: tadream@o... > Subject: [tadream] Troubles connecting to EFnet > > > From: Gustavo Jobim > > #tadream is at EFnet, right? > > Could someone direct me to a IRC server where I am authorized to > connect to?! > It seems that I can't connect to any EFnet server!! I managed to do it > once, but never again. > > gfj > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20417 Re: chat (RE: Troubles connecting to EF Gustavo Jobim Thu 1/20/2000 2 KB 20438 Re: chat (RE: Troubles connecting to EF PENFOLD Sat 1/22/2000 2 KB 20448 Re: chat (RE: Troubles connecting to EF Joe Shoults Sat 1/22/2000 1 KB From: 'Jens Peschke' Date: Thu Jan 20, 2000 8:06 pm Subject: Re: List members recomendation > From: 'tom george' > > Oh yes, that would have to be The Raven I believe. Awful. 8-)Dell > > i don't believe that is the one he is speaking of Dell. i would say it is 'Pacific Blue'. > Tom Yep, you'er right. It's 'Pacific Blue', 'The Raven' isn't exactly the dog's bollocks for my liking but at least a few cuts are good on that one. 'Pacific Blue' (with some (police) babes on bikes on the cover IIRC) on the other hand is .... Well, it actually made me stop even trying something new from Herr Franke, he outsold himself (prostitudes !) on this one. *Noone* can argue that there's a point in releasing such a stinker other than getting money for a pile of crap. Really. I like Babylon1,2, even 'Enchanting Nature'. 'Perry Roden' I'm still holding as it does have some good stuff on it. Also I do rank his influence on TD's output higher than Froeses. Still this one is a real stinker. Best Regards Jens From: Flemming Larsen Date: Thu Jan 20, 2000 10:08 pm Subject: Re:Troubles connecting to EFnet Gustavo Jobim > #tadream is at EFnet, right? No not anymore. Last weekend we moved #tadream to a different network called SorceryNet. This was done to solve connection problems for several who couldn't connect to eighter EFNET or DalNet. Try one of these servers. SorceryNet billboard.sorcery.net SorceryNet zanzibar.sorcery.net SorceryNet warlock.sorcery.net SorceryNet kechara.sorcery.net SorceryNet cookie.sorcery.net SorceryNet voyager.sorcery.net SorceryNet nexus.sorcery.net The chat is usually on every Friday and Saturday evening from around 9pm (GMT). > Could someone direct me to a IRC server where I am authorized to connect to?! > It seems that I can't connect to any EFnet server!! I managed to do it > once, but never again. Done. Drop in on Friday. FGL. From: 'Szatmari, Pal' Date: Thu Jan 20, 2000 4:50 pm Subject: Re: chat Hi TD folks, I subscribed to tadream-digest yesterday and in the first digest I have got I read that you were discussing different chat opportunities. As a regular TD chatter, I can update you on the current state of the IRC chat. As many people had been unable to log on the EFNET IRC network (and the #tadream channel on EFNET had been snatched again) we moved the IRC chat first to Xnet and then to Sorcerynet. The start of the regular chats are at 9:00pm GMT, which is 4:00pm US East Coast time on Fridays and Saturdays. Next time it will be tomorrow (21st Jan) and don't worry if you cannot find Sorcerynet, we usually 'pick people up' from different IRC networks (EFNET, DALNET, Xnet), from the webchat site and even through ICQ... :)) BTW has anyone 'seen' Morgan lately? So do not hesitate to join the week-end chats by logging on IRC, Joe's webchat site or contacting TD fans who have ICQ (I don't). Regards, Pal From: Grant M Somerville Date: Thu Jan 20, 2000 10:18 pm Subject: Chat Hi all, In the chat now, if anyone wants to. 10.15PM GMT -- Kind Regards, Grant. Grant M Somerville Glasgow, Scotland. Looking for Live Music Recordings...try http://freespace.virgin.net/grant.somerville/2index.html SOUNDCHECK [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20502 Re: Chat FGL Mon 1/24/2000 1 KB 30986 Re: Chat Adele Outland Thu 1/3/2002 3 KB 33247 Re: Chat John Vertical Sat 4/6/2002 2 KB 33248 Re: Chat Gustavo Jobim Sat 4/6/2002 3 KB 33538 Chat Morgan Feldon Wed 4/24/2002 2 KB 33799 Chat Morgan Feldon Fri 5/10/2002 2 KB From: Grant M Somerville Date: Thu Jan 20, 2000 10:24 pm Subject: Re: off-topic and not TD-related: my first track Gustavo Jobim wrote: > From: Gustavo Jobim > > Hello folks > > I started trying to use the fast tracker 2.08 software, because I want to > make some music (yes, compose, be a musician). I just finished making my > second track (I'm still working on the first). > > It's called Cacophony, and it's a .XM track. It's really a cacophony, and > it has nothing to do with TD, but I think it's an interesting track. I'd > like to know if anyone wants to have a listen. The zipfile is around 790 > kbytes. > > I used four free samples, 3 from the sample samples from MAZ's No.1 > Instruments CD and the fourth, the clap sample from DemoPack, a standard > samples package for making basic and demo tracks. > > If anyone wants to hear some cacophony and express their opinion about the > track, just let me know. > > gfj > p.s. another detail about Cacophony: it's 4:24 long. > > --- > Gustavo F. Jobim > gustavfj@m... > gustavofj@h... > Hi Gustavo, I'll put an ear to it and let you know. -- Kind Regards, Grant. Grant M Somerville Glasgow, Scotland. Looking for Live Music Recordings...try http://freespace.virgin.net/grant.somerville/2index.html SOUNDCHECK [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'tom george' Date: Thu Jan 20, 2000 10:37 pm Subject: Re: List members recomendation spot on Jens.... if any member of the Dream could stop my obsession it would have to be Mr. Franke. so far it hasn't. but between 'Pacific Blue' and the clunker with Deepak i am on the edge. i continue to hold on to these two knowing they will never grace my cd tray. the only 2 i don't have by Franke are Tenchi Muya and Universal Soldier and i will buy these 2 from Groove when i get together a sizable enough order. oh and i only have the second series of Episodics. they are lovely to look at but at an average time of 26 minutes per disc the investment is just too much money. i find something to like about all his other releases. received my 'Booster' yesterday and it is a lovely package. now i am trying to decide if i want to open the items or do i want to keep it sealed. after all i have all the music except the new one already. decisions, decisions. i am also considering purchasing Klaus Schulzes 'Ultimate Edition'. $430.00 for 50 cds after all is quite a bargain. any other purchasers of this set on the list? i really do need a couple of extra lifetimes to really appreciate all the music that comes into my home. may the Dreams continue. tom -- On Thu, 20 Jan 2000 21:06:23 Jens Peschke wrote: >From: 'Jens Peschke' > >> From: 'tom george' > >Yep, you'er right. It's 'Pacific Blue', 'The Raven' isn't exactly the dog's >bollocks >for my liking but at least a few cuts are good on that one. >'Pacific Blue' (with some (police) babes on bikes on the cover IIRC) >on the other hand is .... Well, it actually made me stop even trying >something new from Herr Franke, he outsold himself (prostitudes !) >on this one. *Noone* can argue that there's a point in releasing such a >stinker other than getting money for a pile of crap. Really. > >I like Babylon1,2, even 'Enchanting Nature'. 'Perry Roden' >I'm still holding as it does have some good stuff on it. Also I do rank his >influence >on TD's output higher than Froeses. Still this one is a real stinker. > >Best Regards > >Jens Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Thu Jan 20, 2000 11:10 pm Subject: Re: chat (RE: Troubles connecting to EFnet) >From: 'joe shoults' > >that's why we're talking about using the chat on the tadream site instead. >you don't have to install anything. I have never tried the IRC thingy, but >why should I even bother if I can just use my browser? In all fairness, >there MAY be good reasons to use IRC, but I don't know. ICQ has a chat >function that has funny little bells and whistles, like being able to 'honk' >or 'laugh' at someone, but I don't know how necessary that is. The chat is >at: >http://tadream.copfer.com, click on 'Chat'. > >joe Oh, well. I guess it's better go there then. But I really dislike anything web-based which can be done outside the web (for example, chat and email). --- Gustavo F. Jobim gustavfj@m... gustavofj@h... From: 'Jens Peschke' Date: Thu Jan 20, 2000 11:10 pm Subject: Re: List members recomendation > From: 'tom george' > > spot on Jens.... > if any member of the Dream could stop my obsession it would have to be Mr. Franke. so far it >hasn't. but between 'Pacific Blue' and the clunker with Deepak i am on the edge. i continue to >hold on to these two knowing they will never grace my cd tray. So I'm not alone. :-) Still holding these in your case is above my head, tho. ;-) However, to each his own. > i am also considering purchasing Klaus Schulzes 'Ultimate Edition'. $430.00 for 50 cds after >all is quite a bargain. any other purchasers of this set on the list? Not me. I've got the Historic Edition (brilliant in parts if you're into Klaus, that is) and was able to listen to a few of the other bits on the JE and SE. But I do know there's a 20+ minutes version of Georg Trakl from 'X' on the 5th box one like not missing if 'X' is amongst your faves. I found the HE well worth the money, as opposed to the Dream Dice set (now this is another story). Not much of an argument or of any help for you I reckon. > i really do need a couple of extra lifetimes to really appreciate all the music that comes into my > >home. may the Dreams continue. Yeah, life's too short indeed. Kind Regards Jens From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Thu Jan 20, 2000 11:21 pm Subject: Cacophony Online Hello everyone I just uploaded Cacophony in the files section of the list site. It's in http://www.onelist.com/files/tadream . The direct link to the file is http://www.onelist.com/files/tadream/cacophonyxmformat.zip . See ya. p.s. I'll upload a MP3 version later. --- Gustavo F. Jobim gustavfj@m... gustavofj@h... From: 'Nick Adams' Date: Thu Jan 20, 2000 11:35 pm Subject: Re: List members recomendation > From: 'Jens Peschke' > > But I do know there's a 20+ minutes version of Georg Trakl >from 'X' on the 5th box one like not missing > if 'X' is amongst your faves. I found the HE well worth the money, > as opposed to the Dream Dice set (now this is another story). > 20 mins of Georg Trakl, hmm, i love that piece from X, i always thought it should have been longer. Nick Home Nicad@c... Work Nick.Adams@p... From: Vic Rek Date: Thu Jan 20, 2000 11:34 pm Subject: Re: List members recomendation Somehow I missed this post, but believe it or not, I kind of like Raven. So there! > From: AOutland@a... > > In a message dated 01/18/2000 7:44:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, > joxbox@h... writes: > > << There are some real stinkers amongst Franke's albums. Ask Vic about > one in particular. I can't remember how it was called (tv-series soundtrack) > >> > > Oh yes, that would have to be The Raven I believe. Awful. 8-)Dell From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Fri Jan 21, 2000 3:31 am Subject: RE: pacific blue I would agree...I am tempted to get rid of mine as well... > ><< There are some real stinkers amongst Franke's albums. Ask Vic about > > one in particular. I can't remember how it was called > (tv-series soundtrack) > > >> > > > > Oh yes, that would have to be The Raven I believe. Awful. 8-)Dell > > > > i don't believe that is the one he is speaking of Dell. i would > say it is 'Pacific Blue'. > Tom > > > > Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > GRAB THE GATOR! FREE SOFTWARE DOES ALL THE TYPING FOR YOU! > Tired of filling out forms and remembering passwords? Gator fills in > forms and passwords with just one click! Comes with $50 in free coupons! > Click Here > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Please practice listserv etiquette. To unsubscribe, e-mail > tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://tadream.copfer.com > > What are Chris Franke and Paul Haslinger up to these days? Find > out at http://www.haslinger.com and http://www.sonicimages.com/cf/! > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20423 Re: pacific blue John Marchington Fri 1/21/2000 3 KB From: 'John Marchington' Date: Fri Jan 21, 2000 3:39 am Subject: Re: pacific blue I borrowed Pacific Blue from a friend of mine and thought it was one of the worst albums I had ever heard! How the same person could have contributed so much to TD and written so much atmospheric music for Babylon5 is quite beyond me. ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael A Jean To: Sent: Friday, 21 January 2000 04:31 Subject: RE: [tadream] pacific blue > From: 'Michael A Jean' > > > I would agree...I am tempted to get rid of mine as well... > > > ><< There are some real stinkers amongst Franke's albums. Ask Vic about > > > one in particular. I can't remember how it was called > > (tv-series soundtrack) > > > >> > > > > > > Oh yes, that would have to be The Raven I believe. Awful. 8-)Dell > > > > > > > i don't believe that is the one he is speaking of Dell. i would > > say it is 'Pacific Blue'. > > Tom > > > > > > > > Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com > > > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > > > GRAB THE GATOR! FREE SOFTWARE DOES ALL THE TYPING FOR YOU! > > Tired of filling out forms and remembering passwords? Gator fills in > > forms and passwords with just one click! Comes with $50 in free coupons! > > Click Here > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > Please practice listserv etiquette. To unsubscribe, e-mail > > tadream-unsubscribe@o... > > Website: http://tadream.copfer.com > > > > What are Chris Franke and Paul Haslinger up to these days? Find > > out at http://www.haslinger.com and http://www.sonicimages.com/cf/! > > > > > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > GRAB THE GATOR! FREE SOFTWARE DOES ALL THE TYPING FOR YOU! > Tired of filling out forms and remembering passwords? Gator fills in > forms and passwords with just one click! Comes with $50 in free coupons! > Click Here > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Please practice listserv etiquette. To unsubscribe, e-mail tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://tadream.copfer.com > > What are Chris Franke and Paul Haslinger up to these days? Find out at http://www.haslinger.com and http://www.sonicimages.com/cf/! > > From: RBrown4856@a... Date: Fri Jan 21, 2000 5:13 am Subject: Franke,Froese and Schulze Greetings All! After wasting my money on several Franke CDs it is clear to me he wasn't as much of an influence on TD as many people thought he was.What this gentleman is putting out now is pure crap.The only compositions of his that are half way decent are the TD soundalikes which obviously must have been heavily Froese influenced. As far as Schulze is concerned all he ever seems to do is release the same tune with a different sound effect thrown in here and there.If you listen to a so called new release and then listen to something released 20 years ago you would swear they were the same tune.So why in the world would someone want to purchase a 50 CD collection of the same tune is beyond me. If you ask me it is pretty obvious who TD was,is and will continue to be whether we like his business practices or his personality or not. Rick Brown Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20425 Re: Franke,Froese and Schulze Bert.Hulshoff@N... Fri 1/21/2000 3 KB 20426 Re: Franke,Froese and Schulze =?iso-8859-1?Q?Micha=B3_Kupcz Fri 1/21/2000 2 KB 20427 Re: Franke,Froese and Schulze Sean Harvey Fri 1/21/2000 2 KB 20430 Re: Franke,Froese and Schulze joe shoults Fri 1/21/2000 2 KB 20439 Re: Franke,Froese and Schulze PENFOLD Sat 1/22/2000 2 KB 20441 Re: Franke,Froese and Schulze RBrown4856@a... Sat 1/22/2000 1 KB From: Bert.Hulshoff@N... Date: Fri Jan 21, 2000 7:54 am Subject: RE: Franke,Froese and Schulze KILL , WAR, SHOOT THIS MAN ETC........................ ;-) > ---------- > From: RBrown4856@a...[SMTP:RBrown4856@a...] > Sent: Friday, January 21, 2000 06:13 > To: tadream@o... > Subject: [tadream] Franke,Froese and Schulze > > From: RBrown4856@a... > > > As far as Schulze is concerned all he ever seems to do is release the > same > tune with a different sound effect thrown in here and there.If you listen > to > a so called new release and then listen to something released 20 years ago > > you would swear they were the same tune.So why in the world would someone > want to purchase a 50 CD collection of the same tune is beyond me. > > Rick Brown > Well Rick, you hit almost a point, but I think when you listen better to Schulze'studio albums, you can't say he is doing the same thing as 20 years ago. Someone who's listening to IRRLICHT, TIMEWIND, ENTRANCE or ARE YOU SEQUENCED must say there is progression, even someone who dislikes Schulze. Even TD has periods that you could ask yourself if there is progression? Bert aka Phrozenlight my home-email phrozenlight@z... my Homepage http://phrozenlight.findhere.org/ (still under construction) please listen to my spacesongs and send me an review ;-) > If You Want to join Klaus Schulze List : --------------------------------------------------- KSpassion-Community email addresses: Post message: KSpassion@o... Subscribe: KSpassion-subscribe@o... Unsubscribe: KSpassion-unsubscribe@o... > If You Want to join Ozric Tentacles List : ------------------------------------------------------ ErpNotes-Community email addresses: Post message: ErpNotes@o... Subscribe: ErpNotes-subscribe@o... Unsubscribe: ErpNotes-unsubscribe@o... > If You Want to join Hawkwind List : ---------------------------------------------------- Hawkwind-Community email addresses:   Post message: Hawkwind@o...   Subscribe:    Hawkwind-subscribe@o...   Unsubscribe:  Hawkwind-unsubscribe@o... From: 'Micha³ Kupczyk' Date: Fri Jan 21, 2000 12:59 pm Subject: RE: Franke,Froese and Schulze Well put - Bert > As far as Schulze is concerned all he ever seems to do is release the > same > tune with a different sound effect thrown in here and there.If you listen > to > a so called new release and then listen to something released 20 years ago > > you would swear they were the same tune.So why in the world would someone > want to purchase a 50 CD collection of the same tune is beyond me. > > Rick Brown > Well Rick, you hit almost a point, but I think when you listen better to Schulze'studio albums, you can't say he is doing the same thing as 20 years ago. Someone who's listening to IRRLICHT, TIMEWIND, ENTRANCE or ARE YOU SEQUENCED must say there is progression, even someone who dislikes Schulze. Even TD has periods that you could ask yourself if there is progression? Bert aka Phrozenlight [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Sean Harvey Date: Fri Jan 21, 2000 1:35 pm Subject: Re: Franke,Froese and Schulze At 12:13 AM 21/01/00 EST, RBrown4856@a... wrote: >Greetings All! > > After wasting my money on several Franke CDs it is clear to me he wasn't >as much of an influence on TD as many people thought he was.What this >gentleman is putting out now is pure crap.The only compositions of his that >are half way decent are the TD soundalikes which obviously must have been >heavily Froese influenced. I agree quite strongly. Pacific Coast Highway is decent work, though a bit New-Agey for me. Klemania (I find) most closely resembles somehthing TD-ish. Everything else is sort of 'ehhh', as far as I'm concerned. Contrast this with my first listening experience of Edgar Froese's Stuntman - I literally wept. I had been trying to find it for a while, finally located it on CDNow and had listened to the 30-second sample repeatedly. None of that compared to hearing the full-length piece - it was incredible. And Franke's B5 work is mostly background noise - I cannot remember a single instance of music that he's done. Now, Stewart Copeland's original score for B5 was amazing - I can still hum it to this day. > If you ask me it is pretty obvious who TD was,is and will continue to be >whether we like his business practices or his personality or not. Edgar Froese, obviously. But what's this about business practices and personality? While I love the music (50+albums and counting), I'm not as up on the band and the happenings. Check the Pagan Playground's L5R League Page! http://www.magma.ca/~sharvey/LeagueMain.htm From: LAWRY SIMM Date: (Date Unavailable) Subject: Public Service Announcement For those of you in the UK with Sky Digital, MIRACLE MILE is showing on Sky Moveimax 5 on 25th Feb at 01:00 No use to me as I do not subscribe to the movie channels.. Regards, Lawry ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20587 Public Service Announcement Lawry Simm Thu 1/27/2000 1 KB 20593 Re: Public Service Announcement Richard Ford Fri 1/28/2000 1 KB 22756 Public Service Announcement Lawry Simm Wed 5/31/2000 2 KB 24183 Public Service Announcement Lawry Simm Mon 10/2/2000 2 KB 24211 Re: Public Service Announcement Joel Mullen Wed 10/4/2000 2 KB 24219 Re: Public Service Announcement Lawry Simm Fri 10/6/2000 2 KB From: 'F. H. Dumay' Date: Fri Jan 21, 2000 4:22 pm Subject: RE: Great Wall of China and gear > From: 'Herod, Galen (NBC)' > > However, that's what was so great about the pre thief days. > NO PRESETS. > You had to come up with your own sounds, > and the machines would respond differently all the time. > Somehow that was more musical, more gestural and artistic. All being true (at least to some extent), the old equipment was at times horrible to use, to prophet 5 was infamous for the fact that it needed tuning each time the wind changed direction, something that seems frustrating if one has created the coolest sound, and then can't reproduce it another time, because the climatic conditions do not match the previous time. Regards, F H Dumay [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'joe shoults' Date: Fri Jan 21, 2000 4:24 pm Subject: RE: Franke,Froese and Schulze Geez, that's pretty harsh. How about adding an 'IMO' or something? It is just your opinion, after all. At least you call him a gentleman. If you knew he was present on this list, would you phrase it that way? FYI: he is. ...and, IMHO, the idea that he wasn't 'as much of an influence on TD as many people thought he was' doesn't ring true. Upon what are you basing this assessment? Do you think he was some kind of robot for (sheesh- how many years?), just siting there doing what Ed told him?? I think not.* joe (maybe feeling just a little touchy today...) > -----Original Message----- > From: Sean Harvey [mailto:sharvey@m...] > At 12:13 AM 21/01/00 EST, RBrown4856@a... wrote: > >Greetings All! > > > > After wasting my money on several Franke CDs it is clear to > me he wasn't > >as much of an influence on TD as many people thought he was.What this > >gentleman is putting out now is pure crap.The only compositions > of his that > >are half way decent are the TD soundalikes which obviously must > have been > >heavily Froese influenced. > > I agree quite strongly. .... * Rene Descartes walks into a bar. The bartender asks him if he wants the ususal. He replies, 'I think not.' Poof! He's gone. .... From: 'F. H. Dumay' Date: Fri Jan 21, 2000 4:41 pm Subject: RE: TDI missing numbers CD015 - What a blas (Architecture in motion) Fabien Dumay [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'koulos_' Date: Fri Jan 21, 2000 4:18 pm Subject: death will come? ok here is the story i am playing my character at the role playing game i am playing this week when the dangeon master says to me 'ok man this band you hear a lot ,tangerine dream , do they have any dark songs?.....like to hear them and think you are facing death and all this stuff? ....' well do you TDfans outthere feel this way about any album TD made? i for sure feel a little strange when atem's music rule over the air of my room ....... yours koulos from athens [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20433 Re: death will come? Rhen, Kris Fri 1/21/2000 2 KB 20436 Re: death will come? Gustavo Jobim Fri 1/21/2000 1 KB 20440 Re: death will come? Michael A Jean Sat 1/22/2000 2 KB 20496 Re: death will come? Nigbur D Mon 1/24/2000 3 KB From: 'Rhen, Kris' Date: Fri Jan 21, 2000 4:56 pm Subject: RE: death will come? I used to listen to TD when I was working on a fantasy/fabulist/horror novel, to stimulate for ALL moods. I had a set of songs for each atmosphere I needed, but have long since forgotten what they were. Mysterious feelings, impending, driving? yes. dark? not all. A few for sure. Lots of 'running/fleeing' music for sure. For the dark stuff I also included Skinny Puppy in there :-) Kristopher W. Rhen (krhen@s...) http://www.stucki.com/krhen/music.htm http://www.mp3.com/3DarkHours Manager, Information Systems A. Stucki Company > ok here is the story > i am playing my character at the role playing game i am > playing this week when the dangeon master says to me > > 'ok man this band you hear a lot ,tangerine dream , do they > have any dark songs?.....like to hear them and think you are > facing death and all this stuff? ....' > > well do you TDfans outthere feel this way about any album TD made? > > i for sure feel a little strange when atem's music rule over > the air of my room ....... From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Fri Jan 21, 2000 7:32 pm Subject: Re : New TD Film Discography Hi all, While Klaus is shamelessly promoting his homepage, I thought I'd do the same... I have done as much as I can for the moment on the film discography, but there is a lot of information missing, not to mention images. Anyone who considers this to be a worthwhile project and can provide any information that is not already there, no matter how minor, please don't hesitate to contact me. As far as I can see, this is the first time such a detailed film discography for TD's music has been put on the web (I'd like to hear from anyone who disagrees!), so I think it's got to be worth completing... Here's the link: http://perso.club-internet.fr/pfellows/films/webpages/filmlist.html Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20435 Re: New TD Film Discography Joel Mullen Fri 1/21/2000 2 KB From: Joel Mullen Date: Fri Jan 21, 2000 11:33 pm Subject: RE: Re : New TD Film Discography Paul- I have lots of original TD films in their original boxes. Let me know what format,size, compression you want and I will scan them all in for you. How much can I e-mail you? Any size or total ammout of MB restrictions? Regards, Joel On Friday, January 21, 2000 1:32 PM, Paul Fellows [SMTP:pfellows@c...] wrote: > From: 'Paul Fellows' > > Hi all, > > While Klaus is shamelessly promoting his homepage, I thought I'd do the > same... > > I have done as much as I can for the moment on the film discography, but > there is a lot of information missing, not to mention images. Anyone who > considers this to be a worthwhile project and can provide any information > that is not already there, no matter how minor, please don't hesitate to > contact me. As far as I can see, this is the first time such a detailed > film discography for TD's music has been put on the web (I'd like to hear > from anyone who disagrees!), so I think it's got to be worth completing... > > Here's the link: > > http://perso.club-internet.fr/pfellows/films/webpages/filmlist.html > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > Get great offers on top-notch products that match your interests! > Sign up for eLerts at: > Click Here > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Please practice listserv etiquette. To unsubscribe, e-mail tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://tadream.copfer.com > > What are Chris Franke and Paul Haslinger up to these days? Find out at http://www.haslinger.com and http://www.sonicimages.com/cf/! > From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Fri Jan 21, 2000 11:16 pm Subject: Re: death will come? >'ok man this band you hear a lot ,tangerine dream , do they have any dark songs?.....like to hear them and think you are facing death and all this stuff? ....' > >well do you TDfans outthere feel this way about any album TD made? > >i for sure feel a little strange when atem's music rule over the air of my room ....... Put in that list Alpha Centauri (the track). It's that kind of song which can be interpretated as angelical or incredibly dark. --- Gustavo F. Jobim gustavfj@m... gustavofj@h... From: PENFOLD Date: Sat Jan 22, 2000 2:10 am Subject: Way OT (was RE: Franke,Froese and Schulze) At 2000.01.21 x 08:24, joe shoults wrote: >From: 'joe shoults' >* Rene Descartes walks into a bar. The bartender asks him if he wants the >ususal. He replies, 'I think not.' Poof! He's gone. on a spooge tangent (no pun intended) 'Mr. Schrodinger, the vet regrets to inform you that your cat is neither dead or alive.' Pete Isaacson DJ DreamHead mailto:penfold@a... 'We throw each piece of equipment three times out of the third floor of our studio complex. If it's still functioning properly, we'll take it on the road. If not, we send it back to Tokyo!...' -- Edgar Froese , on the way Tangerine Dream decides on which instruments to take on the road. From an interview in _Keyboard_ magazine. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: PENFOLD Date: Sat Jan 22, 2000 2:23 am Subject: Re: chat (RE: Troubles connecting to EFnet) At 2000.01.20 x 11:45, joe shoults wrote: >that's why we're talking about using the chat on the tadream site instead. >you don't have to install anything. I have never tried the IRC thingy, but >why should I even bother if I can just use my browser? In all fairness, >there MAY be good reasons to use IRC, but I don't know. ICQ has a chat >function that has funny little bells and whistles, like being able to 'honk' >or 'laugh' at someone, but I don't know how necessary that is. The chat is >at: >http://tadream.copfer.com, click on 'Chat'. Of course if all else fails, we could use (shudder) AOL's Instant Messenger to set up a group chat. If you have the latest version of Netscape, AIM is bundled with it I've used AIM with members from another mailing list not just to chat, but to coordinate the internal mapping of our village at the Burning Man Festival and to organise our communal projects. It's way too expensive and too much trouble to do a conference call, and it allows us to involve people geographically separated. We have one guy as far east as Tennessee, north as Eugene & myself down south in SoCal my €0.02 Pete Isaacson DJ DreamHead mailto:penfold@a... 'We throw each piece of equipment three times out of the third floor of our studio complex. If it's still functioning properly, we'll take it on the road. If not, we send it back to Tokyo!...' -- Edgar Froese , on the way Tangerine Dream decides on which instruments to take on the road. From an interview in _Keyboard_ magazine. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: PENFOLD Date: Sat Jan 22, 2000 2:06 am Subject: Re: Franke,Froese and Schulze At 2000.01.20 x 21:13, RBrown4856@a... wrote: > As far as Schulze is concerned all he ever seems to do is release the same >tune with a different sound effect thrown in here and there.If you listen to >a so called new release and then listen to something released 20 years ago >you would swear they were the same tune.So why in the world would someone >want to purchase a 50 CD collection of the same tune is beyond me. Sounds like Kitaro precisely the reason why I got rid of my Kitaro albums Pete Isaacson DJ DreamHead mailto:penfold@a... 'We throw each piece of equipment three times out of the third floor of our studio complex. If it's still functioning properly, we'll take it on the road. If not, we send it back to Tokyo!...' -- Edgar Froese , on the way Tangerine Dream decides on which instruments to take on the road. From an interview in _Keyboard_ magazine. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Sat Jan 22, 2000 3:09 am Subject: RE: death will come? WHat about some of the stuff from Shy People or BLUE ROOM from Legend MJ > -----Original Message----- > From: koulos_ [mailto:koulos@S...] > Sent: Friday, January 21, 2000 10:19 AM > To: tadream@o... > Subject: [tadream] death will come? > > > From: 'koulos_' > > ok here is the story > i am playing my character at the role playing game i am playing > this week when the dangeon master says to me > > 'ok man this band you hear a lot ,tangerine dream , do they have > any dark songs?.....like to hear them and think you are facing > death and all this stuff? ....' > > well do you TDfans outthere feel this way about any album TD made? > > i for sure feel a little strange when atem's music rule over the > air of my room ....... > > yours > koulos from athens > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > GRAB THE GATOR! FREE SOFTWARE DOES ALL THE TYPING FOR YOU! > Tired of filling out forms and remembering passwords? Gator fills in > forms and passwords with just one click! Comes with $50 in free coupons! > Click Here > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Please practice listserv etiquette. To unsubscribe, e-mail > tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://tadream.copfer.com > > What are Chris Franke and Paul Haslinger up to these days? Find > out at http://www.haslinger.com and http://www.sonicimages.com/cf/! > > From: RBrown4856@a... Date: Sat Jan 22, 2000 4:19 am Subject: Re: Franke,Froese and Schulze Greetings Joe and Chris! IMO I base my assessments on the comparisons of the releases since MR.Franke left TD.I can remember some fans of TD thinking that TD would never be the same when MR.Franke left. I can see based on the different styles they have been releasing the TD influence slowly disappearing from MR.Franke's releases.I can remember MR.Froese saying about MR.Franke's releases to listen to each one and decide for yourself which one (TD or FRANKE) seems to be making more progress in musical experimentation. That is what I have done.Does Edgar seem to be absent from Franke's works or Franke from Edgar's.You decide. From: PhilPDX@a... Date: Sat Jan 22, 2000 4:56 am Subject: Re: Klaus Schulze material In a message dated 1/21/00 6:31:55 PM Pacific Standard Time, penfold@a... writes: > At 2000.01.20 x 21:13, RBrown4856@a... wrote: > > As far as Schulze is concerned all he ever seems to do is release the > same > >tune with a different sound effect thrown in here and there.If you listen > to > >a so called new release and then listen to something released 20 years ago > >you would swear they were the same tune.So why in the world would someone > >want to purchase a 50 CD collection of the same tune is beyond me. > > Sounds like Kitaro > precisely the reason why I got rid of my Kitaro albums > I agree Kitaro albums sound pretty much alike. I strongly disagree that all KS albums sound alike. They DO sound very similar within a certain time period, but there's no WAY you can say his music now sounds like 20 years ago. I'm playing the opening cut from TRAILER right now, and it is filled with modern influences. Techno sounds, a heavy beat, blended with vintage synths. Wonderful stuff. The mid 70s stuff was similar to each other, the late 80s/early 90s sounded a lot alike, too - but they sound nothing like each other. I know tastes can vary widely, but I really don't see how anyone could think his 70s and 90s stuff sounds alike at all. Phil From: PhilPDX@a... Date: Sat Jan 22, 2000 4:56 am Subject: Re: Franke on the list In a message dated 1/21/00 8:31:00 AM Pacific Standard Time, joes@c... writes: > If you > knew he was present on this list, would you phrase it that way? FYI: he is. No way. Seriously? Couldn't be. Too busy on B5 and such, isn't he? BTW, I disagreed with the comments, too. To say that Franke had 'no influence' in a band he was an integral part of for 17 years is....well....I mean, come on! Without Franke's sequencing, TD would've died a quiet death as a strange oddity years ago......... * * * IMO!!!!! :-) Phil Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20445 Re: Franke on the list Richard Ford Sat 1/22/2000 1 KB 20451 Re: Franke on the list Gustavo Jobim Sat 1/22/2000 1 KB 20455 Re: Franke on the list Grant M Somerville Sat 1/22/2000 2 KB 20459 Re: Franke on the list Carl & Jacqui Kearney Sun 1/23/2000 2 KB From: PhilPDX@a... Date: Sat Jan 22, 2000 4:56 am Subject: Re: Miracle Mile, the movie In a message dated 1/21/00 8:22:31 AM Pacific Standard Time, lawrysimm@u... writes: > For those of you in the UK with Sky Digital, MIRACLE MILE is showing on Sky > Moveimax 5 on 25th Feb at 01:00 Great movie, very interesting. My favorite of the ones they've done soundtracks for, as far as the movie itself - with the exception of Risky Business, of course. Phil From: Richard Ford Date: Sat Jan 22, 2000 8:30 am Subject: Re: Franke on the list >Without Franke's sequencing, TD would've died a quiet death as a strange >oddity years ago......... >* >* >* >IMO!!!!! :-) I totally agree. Chris's influence on TD's material is sadly missed in the recent releases. -- Richard Ford From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Sat Jan 22, 2000 10:59 am Subject: Pauls film discography Paul, good project, but, please (!!!) finally distinguish somehow between OSTs and normal LP (album) music used. If you put 'music not relased on album' on stuff like 'Von Richtern..' it's not just misleading, it's simply not true. You might want to check my list under TD-SOUNDTRACKS to see what's normal album music and what's original. cheers, klaus From: 'James Chapman' Date: Sat Jan 22, 2000 6:52 pm Subject: D:Studio(White Eagle) Well, it's time I contributed to this. Having a full time job and no home computer really limits your online time! First I want to briefly comment on Exit as I totally missed it. It's one of my faves, and sounds about 5 years newer that it really is. It has a very good flow to it, and the best tracks are Pilots and Network 23. Choronzon could easily have been a hit single as well. So on to White Eagle which is very nearly as good. It's good that there's a side-long track on there, Mojave Plan which is the best on the album. I love long slow build ups like the start of Tangram as well. Best bits are when it first breaks at 4 minutes , the deep sounding backing synth coming in at 7 minutes, and the link bits between the main sections (god, it's hard to describe sound!) Midnight In Tula on the other hand hit me straight away, wow! TD's faster stuff is wonderful. It couldn't go on any longer than it did, really. Convention of the 24 is a bit weird, but I'll take it. The first time I heard it, I burst out laughing! The song is very similar to Pilots of Purple Twilight in that it's nice effects around a central repetitive riff. Works for me. My father has said it sounds like someone running their finger round the rim of a wine glass! However I strongly reccomend not listening to it after a few drinks! :-) The title track is a nice way to finish. A wind down, if you like. I particularly like the sample of Kraftwerk's Numbers (I think) that also appaered in Mojave Plan. Then again, I think the same sound apperaed on Ricochet, so maybe it's not a sample after all - someone put me right! :-) Overall, 9/10, not as good as Tangram or Exit but classic early 80-s TD. Cheers James ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From: 'Joe Shoults' Date: Sat Jan 22, 2000 3:13 pm Subject: RE: chat (RE: Troubles connecting to EFnet) With Flemming's help, I have learned a little more about IRC. It does have some features that are better than just a chat page. So I'm looking around for a script that will allow us to have features like IRC, but through the browser. I still don't want to have to install anything on my client. If anyone knows or finds something, please let me know off-list. ... > Of course if all else fails, we could use (shudder) AOL's Instant > Messenger to set up a group chat. yack! gag! I'd rather stick a hot poker in my eye. Of course, AOL now owns ICQ,which I like, so they will probably be the same thing soon. I'll announce any developments. Perl might have an answer... joe fnord! From: 'teiwaz _' Date: Sat Jan 22, 2000 4:01 pm Subject: RE: Chris's influence on TD's material Richard Ford wrote: >Chris's influence on TD's material is sadly missed in the recent releases. Dunno about recent--GREAT WALL OF CHINA rules. --teiwaz (who really likes Franke's Enchanting Nature) np: CF's Morphing Space--Ambient Mix ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20452 Re: Chris's influence on TD's material Mike Valant Sat 1/22/2000 1 KB From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Sat Jan 22, 2000 3:05 pm Subject: Videoclips I wonder if TD have ever made a videoclip... Gustavo F. Jobim gustavfj@m... gustavofj@h... From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Sat Jan 22, 2000 3:11 pm Subject: Re: Franke on the list >> If you >> knew he was present on this list, would you phrase it that way? FYI: he >is. > >No way. Seriously? Couldn't be. Too busy on B5 and such, isn't he? Really? I must say it's a bit hard to believe... >BTW, I disagreed with the comments, too. To say that Franke had 'no >influence' in a band he was an integral part of for 17 years is....well....I >mean, come on! Not only a part of the band, he was part of its core! >Without Franke's sequencing, TD would've died a quiet death as a strange >oddity years ago......... >IMO!!!!! :-) > >Phil Well, I don't know... Maybe. Who can say? But if TD had died around the early 70s it would have died as a strange oddity, surely. Gustavo F. Jobim gustavfj@m... gustavofj@h... From: 'Mike Valant' Date: Sat Jan 22, 2000 11:19 pm Subject: Re: RE: Chris's influence on TD's material Hello TDers IMO, Chris Franke is sadly missed, i dont mind the newer material , just plain ok, but really the 70s and 80s eras of CFrankes involvement was monumental, my favorite TD releases are from those periods, Ricochet, Encore, White Eagle and Logos, not to mention the others that stand highly. TD has becomed so commercialized, i could never dream it would be this way. But then again people change, times change and so forth. Like i said i dont mind the new stuff just isnt the same. Seems the analogs were taken out sometime ago as well, along with Chris, :( . Mr Wind ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Sat Jan 22, 2000 5:05 pm Subject: OT: IRC channel registered Hello folks I thought it would be important to register our SorceryNet channel, because someone could somehow take the name of the channel and register it for other purpose. So I registered it. gfj Gustavo F. Jobim gustavfj@m... gustavofj@h... From: bocohrt@i... Date: Sat Jan 22, 2000 9:39 pm Subject: hello all, what is zeit really like? first of all i am new to the list. secondly, i was wondering what the list thinks of zeit. i am thinking about getting that one. i have cds from most of the eras(mostly the virgin era).i think melrose was simply awful though(see my review at amazon.com). i like quinoa but i seem to like the live albums the most.any feedback is appreciated thanks. bo Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20458 Re: hello all, what is zeit really like? PhilPDX@a... Sat 1/22/2000 2 KB 20480 Re: hello all, what is zeit really like? AOutland@a... Sun 1/23/2000 1 KB 20484 Re: hello all, what is zeit really like? Bert.Hulshoff@N... Mon 1/24/2000 2 KB 20485 hello all, what is zeit really like? Simon Slator Mon 1/24/2000 1 KB 20493 Re: hello all, what is zeit really like? Nigbur D Mon 1/24/2000 1 KB From: Grant M Somerville Date: Sat Jan 22, 2000 8:55 pm Subject: Re: Franke on the list PhilPDX@a... wrote: > From: PhilPDX@a... > > In a message dated 1/21/00 8:31:00 AM Pacific Standard Time, joes@c... > writes: > > > If you > > knew he was present on this list, would you phrase it that way? FYI: he > is. > > No way. Seriously? Couldn't be. Too busy on B5 and such, isn't he? > > BTW, I disagreed with the comments, too. To say that Franke had 'no > influence' in a band he was an integral part of for 17 years is....well....I > mean, come on! > > Without Franke's sequencing, TD would've died a quiet death as a strange > oddity years ago......... > * > * > * > IMO!!!!! :-) > > Phil > Hi All, Not intentional ass kissing, (liar, liar pants on fire!!) but a part of my live experiences of TD during the eighties was watching the banks of kit behind Chris and waiting for the red LED's starting to move, and then listening for the sequence being brought into the music. -- Kind Regards, Grant. Grant M Somerville Glasgow, Scotland. Looking for Live Music Recordings...try http://freespace.virgin.net/grant.somerville/2index.html SOUNDCHECK [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Vic Rek Date: Sat Jan 22, 2000 10:17 pm Subject: Re: Okefenokee List Hi Tom, So is this a definite? Would like to meet you. Vic TJames0001@a... wrote: > > From: TJames0001@a... > > I am interested--- > Tom James---Indiana > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > Get great offers on top-notch products that match your interests! > Sign up for eLerts at: > Click Here > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Please practice listserv etiquette. To unsubscribe, e-mail tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://tadream.copfer.com > > What are Chris Franke and Paul Haslinger up to these days? Find out at http://www.haslinger.com and http://www.sonicimages.com/cf/! From: 'Lawry Simm' Date: Sat Jan 22, 2000 10:39 pm Subject: Discussion Week 19 - Sunday 23rd January 2000 This week brings us to the classic Dominion gig, Logos. Please make your subject read 'D:Live [Logos]' when posting comments or reviews. Any more takes on White Eagle? Not many responses for that one so far... don't worry about posting late! Regards, Lawry lawrysimm@u... ICQ # 23267226 Instant Messenger - lawrysimm From: PhilPDX@a... Date: Sat Jan 22, 2000 10:59 pm Subject: Re: hello all, what is zeit really like? In a message dated 1/22/00 1:47:39 PM Pacific Standard Time, bocohrt@i... writes: > From: bocohrt@i... > > first of all i am new to the list. secondly, i was wondering what the list > thinks of zeit. i am thinking about getting that one. i have cds from most > of > the eras(mostly the virgin era).i think melrose was simply awful though(see > my > review at amazon.com) Welcome, Bo. Zeit is one of those CDs that seems to split the TD list down the middle. Some love it, some hate it. It is their most minimal CD, long drones of synthesizers, and cello. It is four long tracks, each was one side of an album (it was a 2-record set on vinyl). If you do get it, be sure to buy the newer, Castle Communications remastered version, all on one CD. I think of it as pure, drifting space music, though I admit, I have to be in just the right mood, don't play it a lot. Others will just tell you it is boring crap, that it doesn't do enough to hold their interest. The first track is a bit heavy on the cello for me, I like the rest of it quite a bit. Hope that helps. I'm sure you'll get a couple other opinions. BTW, I agree with you about Melrose, though I occasionally miss 'Cool at Heart' since I sold the CD a few years ago. Beautiful piano, though it probably should have run only 4 minutes instead of 6. Their perfect piano piece is 'Twenty-Nine Palms' from Lily on the Beach. I haven't sold that CD just because of that song, the rest seems pretty expendable to me. Phil From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' Date: Sun Jan 23, 2000 12:37 am Subject: Re: Franke on the list ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Grant M Somerville' To: Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2000 8:55 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Franke on the list > From: Grant M Somerville > > > Hi All, > Not intentional ass kissing, (liar, liar pants on fire!!) but a part of my live experiences of TD during the eighties was watching the > banks of kit behind Chris and waiting for the red LED's starting to move, and then listening for the sequence being brought into the > music. > Hey Grant you took the words right out of my mouth, there was no need for exotic light shows in those days just sit and watch for the Leds to start buzzing across the equipment , well not that we got great light shows back then usually a couple of hundred yards of white cloth backed by a couple of white and blue spots,and of course lots of dry ice , primative but very effective . Best regards Carl . From: 'Mike Valant' Date: Sun Jan 23, 2000 8:34 am Subject: Re: White Eagle Funny White Eagle is one of my top four favorite TD releases. This wont be much what i have to say, but to be honest it has been collecting dust for awhile, although i have played it hundreds of times. Edgar if i can recall uses no guitar at all on this one. So heavy sequencing and such if i recall once again. I feel all tracks are fantastic, amazing how this one isnt mentioned much at all, it brings back memories for when it first came out, i was in the Air Force stationed in North Dakota, me and my buds took off to Canada and i played this over and over again. Well does anyone out there besides I count this as a TD favorite????????? Mr Wind ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29991 White Eagle rubyconist@y... Sat 11/10/2001 2 KB 30102 Re: White Eagle Armin Theissen Wed 11/14/2001 3 KB From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Sun Jan 23, 2000 3:03 am Subject: D:Studio [Zeit] was 'what is zeit really like?' >From: bocohrt@i... > > first of all i am new to the list. secondly, i was wondering what the list > thinks of zeit. >bo Zeit is a very controversial album. I describe this as the ultimate ambient-space album. That's what you're going to find. 80 minutes - four 20-minute tracks, one for each side, with strange titles such as Birth of Liquid Plejades, of ambient spacey music. Zeit is really very difficult to listen. The first time I heard it I fell asleep around the middle of the third track. It was inevitable. Some people love and others hate this album. I can't love or hate Zeit. I just rarely play it. Gustavo F. Jobim gustavfj@m... gustavofj@h... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20467 Re: D:Studio [Zeit] was 'what is zeit really like PENFOLD Sun 1/23/2000 1 KB From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Sun Jan 23, 2000 3:42 am Subject: D:Studio [White Eagle] I've been so lazy to talk about albums in the D:Studio weeks... I missed already Pergamon. Maybe I'll write something on that later. Very good album. But I have to talk about White Eagle. This is one of my favourites. Well, probably it is between my faves because it was the first TD album I bought, along with Extracts from Poland. But it's a great album. Sequences, classical-mood pieces, epics, 'running' tracks, all classical TD elements from their best age are here, represented by Convention of the 24, White Eagle, Mojave Plan and Midnight in Tula, respectively. The first track to hit me was obviously Midnight in Tula. It became an instant favourite EM track. Then I discovered the others, all good tracks too. Convention of 24, with its clear Froesian style, always reminds me of Movements of a Visionary. I don't know why. Maybe because Phaedra and White Eagle have similar structures: 1. Side-lenghty epic (both) 2. Phaedra: long track, mellotron-based - WE: short track 3. long track, sequence-based (both) 4. ending-mood track (both) White Eagle is one of the most beautiful TD songs. The sequence here is so everchanging that it works as if someone was actually playing that on the keyboard. The theme is very powerful. I guess that's it... Mojave Plan? Well, very good track. Nothing better to say. gfj Gustavo F. Jobim gustavfj@m... gustavofj@h... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20595 D:Studio [White Eagle] Quarlie@a... Fri 1/28/2000 6 KB 20608 Re: D:Studio [White Eagle] Michael A Jean Sat 1/29/2000 1 KB From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Sun Jan 23, 2000 4:01 am Subject: OT: Amarok Remember we were talking about Amarok some weeks ago? And I said I had found the list with its parts? (Was this discussion in this list? I don't remember... :) Well, I said I'd publish the list as soon as I found it. Here it goes: Amarok album mix notes [The liner notes on the Amarok CD include reproductions of Mike's studio notes on the album, printed in green as part of the background. These studio notes include titles for most of the passages on the album. As nearly as I can determine, here are those passages and where they start on the CD version. Lazlo Nibble (lazlo@s...)] 0:00 Fast Riff Intro 2:32 Intro 5:46 Climax I - 12 Strings 6:18 Soft Bodrhan 7:20 Rachmaninov I 8:35 Soft Bodrhan 2 9:29 Rachmaninov II 9:56 Roses 10:42 Reprise I - Intro 12:45 Scot 13:16 Didlybom 15:00 Mad Bit 15:56 Run In 16:11 Hoover 18:00 Fast Riff 19:57 Lion 21:57 Fast Waltz 23:42 Stop 24:33 Mad Bit 2 24:46 Fast Waltz 2 25:06 Mandolin [this is where the side breaks on the LP] 26:07 Intermission 26:23 Boat 29:27 Intro Reprise 2 32:07 Big Roses 33:13 Green Green 34:24 Slow Waltz 36:04 Lion Reprise 37:05 Mandolin Reprise 37:47 TV-am. 39:50 Fast Riff Reprise Hoover/Scot 42:22 Boat Reprise 43:32 12 Rep Intro Waltz 44:12 Green Reprise 44:46 Africa I: Far Build 48:00 Africa I: Far Dip 48:46 Africa I: Pre Climax 49:32 Africa I: 12 Climax 50:23 Africa I: Climax I 51:00 Africa II: Bridge 51:17 Africa II: Riff 51:34 Africa II: Boats 51:52 Africa II: Bridge II 52:10 Africa II: Climax II 54:22 Africa III: Baker And this is the page where I found this: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discog.pl Gustavo F. Jobim gustavfj@m... gustavofj@h... From: PhilPDX@a... Date: Sun Jan 23, 2000 4:45 am Subject: D: Logos Ok, I was a little late for White Eagle, a little early for Logos (it's a quarter to midnight on the east coast, and it's already Sunday for Euro TD fans). Logos has been my favorite TD CD ever since I heard it. Every once in awhile, I think another one might overtake it, usually Ricochet or Exit, but then I realize it's just a passing phase. As soon as I hear that wonderful mass of electronic noise to start things off, then that big pulsing beat, I'm hooked all over again. There is so much drama and tension throughout all of Logos. It is nothing but a wonderful series of slow build ups and climaxes. Ok, both parts 1 and 2 sound almost alike the way they build to their big finish at the very end, but I don't care. It's great. And the sounds that emanate from their synthesizers throughout are just fantastic, I've never heard anything quite so powerful anywhere else. I actually consider Dominion to be pretty disposable. It's fine, but Logos 1 and 2 are essentially perfect, in my book. Some say the Logotypes boot is better, but I've heard it, don't think so. This is the real deal, even if it isn't the whole show. They put the best parts here. Electronic music perfection. Phil Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20479 D: Logos Marcel Engels Sun 1/23/2000 2 KB From: PhilPDX@a... Date: Sun Jan 23, 2000 4:45 am Subject: D: White Eagle In a message dated 1/22/00 5:37:23 PM Pacific Standard Time, windwalker422@h... writes: > Well does anyone out there > besides I count this as a TD favorite????????? It's right up there for me. Schmoelling's quirky style really started asserting itself with this CD. I still like the CDs before and after it better, but I play White Eagle a lot. Mojave Plan is just great. The first couple of minutes just sort of meander, and about the time you ask 'is this going to go anywhere?' it jumps out at you. The intricate layers of synths and sequencers that follow are just superb. Like all great longer TD tracks, this is really a bunch of smaller musical ideas beautifully strung together. I love the great transitions as it develops. The big train-like noises at about 10:00 are a big plus. The dramatic ending somehow fits, even though it shouldn't. I was surprised to see all the positive comments about Midnight in Tula, I've always thought it was kind of lame. I like it now, but it took me a long time - I used to think it was SO hokey sounding. Definitely my least favorite on the CD, but it works. Just the right length. I do really like the sort of echoed screeching sound that comes in over the top once in awhile. Convention of the 24 is repetitious, but what a great sound. I used to use that sound for certain events in Windows on my PC, but it got kind of annoying hearing it at random intervals. Froese's stamp is all over this one. Sounds just like parts of Stuntman. The title track is one of my all-time favorite TD songs. For some reason, I find it really moving, probably doesn't strike too many other people that way. It's very electronic, but I think it is just beautiful, so relaxing and soothing. Some TD CDs I've almost overplayed, but I still love White Eagle every time. Phil Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20478 Re: D: White Eagle Marcel Engels Sun 1/23/2000 2 KB From: Chris Richards Date: Sun Jan 23, 2000 8:05 am Subject: Re: Prophet 5 problems <> I think that's mainly the first string of Prophet 5's you're talking about, the Rev 1 models. These were notorious for being unstable tuning wise. The tuning problem was fixed on later revisions of the instrument. Oddly, a lot of people still sought out the Rev 1's (of which there are apparently relatively few), because later models used a different model microchip, and thusly, they sound different. So, even though they were a pain to keep in tune, some prefered their sound, at least for studio use. As for not being able to recall a particular sound on the Prophet 5, that wasn't a problem. One of the main selling points of the instrument was it's ability to store sounds in memory, recallable at the touch of a button. The tuning instability wouldn't affect the ability to recall sounds, just the ability to play chords in tune (I imagine for single note lines you could always using the oscillator pitch controls to tune up to the rest of the band). ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris Death Before Dishonour Dishonour Before Disco __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From: PENFOLD Date: Sun Jan 23, 2000 8:59 am Subject: Re: D:Studio [Zeit] was 'what is zeit really like?' Wasn't it a listizen who said it was 'One note played over all 4 sides'? IMNSHO 2AS Pete Isaacson DJ DreamHead mailto:penfold@a... 'We throw each piece of equipment three times out of the third floor of our studio complex. If it's still functioning properly, we'll take it on the road. If not, we send it back to Tokyo!...' -- Edgar Froese , on the way Tangerine Dream decides on which instruments to take on the road. From an interview in _Keyboard_ magazine. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Sun Jan 23, 2000 9:32 am Subject: more homepage updates Hi all, today, I've added a few more updates to my homepage, besides the corrected Filderstadt 1997 excerpt. Most are cosmetic changes, but bootvupd.txt now includes a complete list of all known (to me) TD bootlegs on CD, LP and CDR. check it out at http://www.caby.de/Music cheers, klaus From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Sun Jan 23, 2000 10:35 am Subject: Yet another update... Hi all, Keen Auricle has just put up a contest. Name the fans on three photos and win a KA CDR set. Check it out at: http://www.caby.de/Music/Keenauricle/Contest cheers, klaus From: Flemming Larsen Date: Sun Jan 23, 2000 2:29 pm Subject: Re:chat Joe Shoults: > With Flemming's help, I have learned a little more about IRC. It does have > some features that are better than just a chat page. So I'm looking around > for a script that will allow us to have features like IRC, but through the > browser. I still don't want to have to install anything on my client. If > anyone knows or finds something, please let me know off-list. Sounds like a grea idea Joe. Keep us posted on the progress. > yack! gag! I'd rather stick a hot poker in my eye. Of course, AOL now > owns ICQ,which I like, so they will probably be the same thing soon. ICQ is not a bad thing really. With it's IRC style chat window it's almost like using IRC. That fact that it keeps track of your friends online is a cool thing too. File transfers, email and other things also add to it's usefulness. ICQ is underestimated by many people but the interface still leaves a little to be desired IMO. FGL Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20474 Re: chat Carl & Jacqui Kearney Sun 1/23/2000 2 KB 20487 Re: chat Joe Shoults Mon 1/24/2000 1 KB From: Rainer Rutka Date: Sun Jan 23, 2000 5:00 pm Subject: Soundsample form Osnabrueck HI! I added the first 5 minutes form the 'Klangart, Live at Osnabrueck' CDR in my 'Klangart'-page. This file is in the MP3 format. It's a limited time offer. Have fun... Rainer www.rutka.de/td PS: Please visit my want- and swaplist! --------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Richard Ford Date: Sun Jan 23, 2000 8:18 pm Subject: New web site - Temp Hi all Thought I'd just let you know I have uploaded my test web pages. One of the ideas is to have MP3 files of some of my Tangerine Dream covers on there. Although I have listed them, they are not yet done (soon!), but I have also uploaded my collection of TD midi files that I've collected on my journeys around the newsgroups The pages are basic, I'm getting used to the way Dreamweaver works before I get clever!! If any of you have any useful links I could add, I'd be grateful if you could post them to me. http://www.zozo.demon.co.uk All the best Richard Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20473 New web site - Temp Richard Ford Sun 1/23/2000 1 KB From: Richard Ford Date: Sun Jan 23, 2000 8:24 pm Subject: New web site - Temp Hi all Thought I'd just let you know I have uploaded my test web pages. One of the ideas is to have MP3 files of some of my Tangerine Dream covers on there. Although I have listed them, they are not yet done (soon!), but I have also uploaded my collection of TD midi files that I've collected on my journeys around the newsgroups The pages are basic, I'm getting used to the way Dreamweaver works before I get clever!! If any of you have any useful links I could add, I'd be grateful if you could post them to me. http://www.zozo.demon.co.uk All the best Richard From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' Date: Sun Jan 23, 2000 8:35 pm Subject: Re: Re:chat ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Flemming Larsen' To: Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2000 2:29 PM Subject: [tadream] Re:chat > From: Flemming Larsen > > Joe Shoults: > > > With Flemming's help, I have learned a little more about IRC. > > ICQ is not a bad thing really. With it's IRC style chat window > it's almost like using IRC. That fact that it keeps track of your > friends online is a cool thing too. File transfers, email and > other things also add to it's usefulness. > > ICQ is underestimated by many people but the interface still leaves > a little to be desired IMO. > Hi Guys just to add my opinion , I have been using ICQ now for about 10 months along with quite a few other list members , I personally think its a great tool and is definatly under rated. See you there Carl # Icq 38818818 . From: Steven Feldman Date: Sun Jan 23, 2000 8:59 pm Subject: Edgar: a very special meaning that I don't want to talk about In the [Groove] E-News 179 (Jan 22 2000) newsletter, it says (all potential spelling mistakes /typos have not been altered): | In the latest NEW AGE VOICE is a 3,5 page interview with Tangerine | Dream. One question was: | NAV: How did you arrive at the name Tangerine Dream? | EF: There is a very special meaning that I don't walk to talk about. Oh-ho! -- Steven Feldman From: 'Szatmari, Pal' Date: Sun Jan 23, 2000 8:39 pm Subject: Exit, White Eagle, Logos A little bit late for the Exit and White Eagle discussions, but I hope you don't mind... My first exposure to TD was Exit: I still remember the excitement I felt when the stylus of my record-player touched the vinyl for the first time (almost 20 years ago!!!) and I heard the BANG at the beginning of Kiew mission. BOOM ... I knew I was going to get involved in something very unique... The idea of buying EXIT came when I was reading an article about JMJ, whose Oxygen I had known for about a year, and the writer mentioned Tangerine Dream (what?! Tangerine Dream, never heard of them - I thought) as the pioneers of electronic music. I rushed to the ONE and ONLY import record store in town and asked if they had anything by a group called T a n g e r i n e D r e a m. They said 'sure, they have just come out with a new LP). When I first listened to it, it was overcast and raining outside. I was carried away by the unique atmosphere. I felt as if a new door, which I had never seen before opened for me. When the LP was over, I could not recall any moment of it music-wise, but I remembered the atmosphere it created: as if I had left the real world and entered another dimension... I had never imagined music can be this way, too. Since then I have played Exit so many times, it became a part of me. The title track or Remote viewing still affects me just like sunshine warms a lizard. A year later White Eagle came. It was just the right follow-up. Mojave Plan was again very atmospheric. I loved the 'desert sounds' at the beginning, and the sequences were very effective. Still one of my favourite albums. The tunes were again very unique. Each track tells a story very vividly. It showed the world that synths can be used as a paintbrush not just as accompaniment to a pop song. And then, in the darkest hour of a winter night, a local radio station played Logos. It is a masterpiece. Lives up to its title. Its imagery I couldn't match with anything else for a long time (until I was fortunate enough to receive bootleg recordings of unreleased TD concerts). Oops, I said the forbidden word... :)) I could go on writing about philosophy and transcendence but it would be out-of-place here. (Yesterday I was discussing God on the #tadream IRC channel)...! If I had a time machine, my first stop would be 1982 and would walk into a Logos concert (with Mars Polaris in my pocket hehehe)... copyright Pal Szatmari :) From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Sun Jan 23, 2000 9:11 pm Subject: Re:IRC channel registered (I mean, unregistered) It seems I pissed some people off when I registered #tadream. I'm sorry, I didn't mean that. (.....) >>You can calm people down again by telling ChanServ to >>give everone who enters OP status. (Flemming) > >Is that possible? I thought the OP status would be free, I mean, did Chanserv unopped the first who entered the channel? There's a feature in Brasnet (Brazilian IRC net) which locks the OP status, not allowing other people who aren't in the operator list to have @. I thought Sorcery's Chanserv was like that too. > >(...) >>Maybe you did talk to someone on the chat, and I wasn't there, >>but the people I met online last night certainly didn't know. (Flem) > >No, I didn't. I just didn't know someone took over the EFnet channel, I mean, I wasn't aware of all these traumatic circumstances. So I thought everybody would say 'yeah, well reminded, we should've registered it earlier.' > >>We were actually hoping that you would have joined us last night >>since you had registered the channel. Apparently you didn't. At >>least not while we were there. (Flem) > >I was there last night. But there wasn't anybody there. Not sure about the time I logged on, however. > >>Looking forward to hearing from you. (Flem) > >I let this reply open while I was on IRC trying to find out a way of auto-giving OP status, but unfortunately, unlike Brasnet's Chanserv, the ADDOP command doesn't accept '*' as the nick to be registered. It only accepts registered nicks. And there's no way of auto-giving OP, except if I had a BOT. >I was counting this Chanserv would be like Brasnet's one, regarding the op-lock feature. In Brasnet, unless you use a command to give OP only to the registered nicks, the OP status is free. > >With all these circumstances, I decided to DROP the registration. I hope in the future we can get a op-giving BOT so we can register the channel properly. > >>Flemming Larsen >gfj Gustavo F. Jobim gustavfj@m... gustavofj@h... From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Sun Jan 23, 2000 9:17 pm Subject: RE: D: White Eagle > From: PhilPDX@a... Some words (and reactions) about White Eagle from me. I love this album, although the middle 2 tracks are not so great as the first and the last one. Great opening, typical strange TD style I guess. I can't find anything in this track that I don't like. Paul mentioned the drums didn't add anything in the beginning but for I find them great in there. And then after a few minutes the tracks starts and how...very powerful. I've got the live version of this on video with the orchestra but personally I don't like it that much. It's very nice to see them and the big modulars...but imo it would be better to have left the orchestra at home :-) > I was surprised to see all the positive comments about Midnight in Tula, > I've always thought it was kind of lame. I like it now, but it took me a > long time - I used to think it was SO hokey sounding. Definitely > my least > favorite on the CD, but it works. Just the right length. I do > really like > the sort of echoed screeching sound that comes in over the top > once in awhile. Same feelings over here. It is my least favorite track on the album. It sounds as it came from a computergame or something (and I understand that it actually was used in a game later). Convention is I think a Froese track. Little bit like Stuntman and Pinnacles. A bit of a desert feeling. And White Eagle is just superb. Great sequencers and simple but very effective melodies. Marcel Music-page :http://home.wxs.nl/~m1engels Email :fsp@w... From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Sun Jan 23, 2000 10:01 pm Subject: D: Logos I think this was about the third album I got from TD. (i think it must have been rubycon and tyger who were first). Liked it right away from the opening sounds. It starts with a sequencer immediately. And also immediately sets the mood for the whole track actually. Then after a few minutes that great part comes in, with some of the best TD solos I've ever heard from them. Again some weird noises and again a great powerful part comes in complete with some samples (emu?). Some sounds we will also hear on Poland. It gets boring but track one ends very strong...nice chords and sounds. Do I hear some mellotron-like flute in there? Then track 2... It opens with a big low sound and some great atmospheric sounds. (nice metallic sounds and birds!) After that it gets a bit boring imo...something starts but it never completes. And the part after that sounds like an automatic machine...it's okay, but not to great imo. It ends with Dominion which I like better then the ending of track 2. Maybe a bit comparable to Midnight in Tula...nice but not too great. The solo is very nice in this track imo...and I take my hat off for Johannes? playing a quite (imo) difficult solo... This one is definitely in my top ten. Marcel Music-page :http://home.wxs.nl/~m1engels Email :fsp@w... From: AOutland@a... Date: Sun Jan 23, 2000 11:15 pm Subject: Re: hello all, what is zeit really like? In a message dated 01/22/2000 4:47:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, bocohrt@i... writes: << first of all i am new to the list. secondly, i was wondering what the list thinks of zeit. >> Welcome to the list, bo. Zeit isn't my cup of tea. Melrose is. So I guess we have differing tastes in music for sure. But that's what keeps the list rolling. If you like ambient, buy it if for no other reason than that it is a great one to help you get to sleep. 8-) Dell NP: York '75 From: Vic Rek Date: Sun Jan 23, 2000 11:54 pm Subject: Okefenokee - Marcel Engels will join us! Enough said in the 'subject' - we will now have some original music to celebrate this event. Other great EM friends are scheduled to join us too. Vic From: PhilPDX@a... Date: Mon Jan 24, 2000 12:47 am Subject: Re: time machine w/mars polaris In a message dated 1/23/00 1:08:31 PM Pacific Standard Time, koronzon@e... writes: > If I had a time machine, my first stop would be 1982 and would walk into a > Logos concert (with Mars Polaris in my pocket hehehe)... If you did, Herr Froese might never have given us Hyperborea or Poland - just another remix album, Dream Mixes 47 or something - so don't even think it! :-) Phil From: 'Heiko Heerßen' Date: Mon Jan 24, 2000 8:25 am Subject: D:Live [Logos] 'Logos' was the first album from TD that I bought in late 1982. At that time I was 13 years old and was mostly listening to Top 10 stuff on the radio (Depeche Mode, Human League, OMD, etc.) When I listened to the first 5 minutes of Side A it didn't take long to realize that this was IT: I found the ultimate band which produced the ultimate music. And without a doubt 'Logos' was Td at their most creative peak, putting out one breathtaking melody after another. Every time I looked at the cover I knew that I found the holy grail of EM music ;-) At that time listening to Logos was more than just music to me, it was a journey or dream to unknown and bizarre regions and when the record was over I returned to reality. Ah, sweet days of youth.... After I heard 'Logos' over and over again I hunted down the old and groundbreaking stuff and when I got access to the Internet and joined the TD mailing list it renewed my interest in our fave group. Yes, old loves die hard... Heiko n.p.: Can Atilla - Whaves of wheels Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20486 D:Live [Logos] Patrik . Mon 1/24/2000 2 KB 20508 D:Live [Logos] Keith Richie Tue 1/25/2000 1 KB 20579 D:Live [Logos] Synthhtnys@a... Thu 1/27/2000 3 KB 20583 D:Live [Logos] Attila Gyory Thu 1/27/2000 1 KB 20590 Re: D:Live [Logos] SCRIBE1964@a... Thu 1/27/2000 2 KB 20591 Re: D:Live [Logos] Richard Ford Thu 1/27/2000 2 KB 20629 D:Live [Logos] Joe Shoults Sun 1/30/2000 6 KB 20631 Re: D:Live [Logos] Joe Shoults Sun 1/30/2000 1 KB 20634 Re: D:Live [Logos] Michael A Jean Sun 1/30/2000 1 KB From: Bert.Hulshoff@N... Date: Mon Jan 24, 2000 8:40 am Subject: RE: hello all, what is zeit really like? If you like ATEM you MUST get ZEIT IMO the BEST space-ambient album ever ;-) Greetings Bert NP- Klaus Schulze- Cyborg : Chromengel an other great space album > ---------- > From: bocohrt@i...[SMTP:bocohrt@i...] > Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2000 22:39 > To: tadream@o... > Subject: [tadream] hello all, what is zeit really like? > > From: bocohrt@i... > > first of all i am new to the list. secondly, i was wondering what the > list > thinks of zeit. i am thinking about getting that one. i have cds from > most of > the eras(mostly the virgin era).i think melrose was simply awful > though(see my > review at amazon.com). i like quinoa but i seem to like the live albums > the > most.any feedback is appreciated thanks. > > bo > > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > GRAB THE GATOR! FREE SOFTWARE DOES ALL THE TYPING FOR YOU! > Tired of filling out forms and remembering passwords? Gator fills in > forms and passwords with just one click! Comes with $50 in free coupons! > Click Here > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Please practice listserv etiquette. To unsubscribe, e-mail > tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://tadream.copfer.com > > What are Chris Franke and Paul Haslinger up to these days? Find out at > http://www.haslinger.com and http://www.sonicimages.com/cf/! > From: 'Simon Slator' Date: Mon Jan 24, 2000 10:24 am Subject: hello all, what is zeit really like? I didn't really get on with Zeit, but saying that - I haven't heard it in a good while. My music taste has gotten weirder since, so when I hear it next time, I'll probably think it's one of the greatest albums ever!!! No harm in speculating!!! As for the comment from Bert.Hulshoff@N... saying that 'If you like Atem, then you must get Zeit' - if you haven't heard 'Atem' yet - get that one first! It's more-or-less the same brand of space ambience, but with some kickass drums at the start! do-doo-do-do, de-doo-dee-doo [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Patrik .' Date: Mon Jan 24, 2000 2:47 pm Subject: D:Live [Logos] Logos Such a perfect way of combining short tracks with more ambient, quite disturbing landscapes of sound. It is very much 'The Keep' and very much 'Soldier' here. I remember noticing that they only used a couple of keyboards each. The Roland Jupiter 8 is very dominant and of course Edgar´s PPG. The use of the Roland TR-808 Drummachine also gave Logos a very modern and fluent touch. I think that the transitions/bridges are absolutely brilliant. Like a combination of Tangram and Exit. Unfortunately I didn´t have the opportunity to see TD live in those days. Sad... :( It would be great to read any concert reviews from this tour! NP: Sting, Brand New Day Arctic regards from a bitterly cold Stockholm Patrik ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From: 'Joe Shoults' Date: Mon Jan 24, 2000 11:38 am Subject: RE: Re:chat Sorry I wasn't clear. I have had ICQ for years (12384259). The last time I saw AOL IM, it really blew. In all fairness, it might be better now; I don't know. One of the things that really irritates me, though, is that damned pop-up window (result of installing Netscape) asking me to get AOLIM every 20 boots or so until I learned how to get rid of it. Joe > -----Original Message----- > From: Flemming Larsen ... > > yack! gag! I'd rather stick a hot poker in my eye. Of course, AOL now > > owns ICQ,which I like, so they will probably be the same thing soon. > > ICQ is not a bad thing really. With it's IRC style chat window From: 'joe shoults' Date: Mon Jan 24, 2000 1:27 pm Subject: B5 Birthday FYI: B5 started on this day, 1989 Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20505 Re: B5 Birthday Carl & Jacqui Kearney Mon 1/24/2000 1 KB From: 'Greg' Date: Mon Jan 24, 2000 3:00 pm Subject: Edgar's TD Future Sorry if I did not hear otherwise, but there was speculation that Edgar Froese would be retiring from TD at the year 2000. I don't want him to.. Mars Polaris to me is like one of the most awesome albums I have ever heard and I have just about all of TD's studio releases! Anyway, if anyone knows what's going on as far as this is concerned, I'd hope to know and maybe other people too! I think Edgar has to be commended for all the years of work in music he has done, although at times highly controversial output, he has continued on to not lose those early roots of music from which he came. I hope his work and influence will last for mnay more years to come! Greg H. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20506 Re: Edgar's TD Future Gabe Yedid Tue 1/25/2000 2 KB 20520 Edgar's TD Future Klaus Beschorner Tue 1/25/2000 1 KB From: 'Todd and Julie Tornow' Date: Mon Jan 24, 2000 10:28 pm Subject: Zeit and Electronic Meditation It was years ago when I heard these two albums. But from what I remember, my best description of Zeit would be the following: Hit one note and stay there. From my memory, Electronic Meditation sounded like a recording of a clumsy individual, who set up a hardware shop in a very large echo chamber and accidentally dropped different tools at random intervals. If there was more to Electronic Meditation, then I must not have heard the entire album. Todd ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20491 Re: Zeit and Electronic Meditation Bert.Hulshoff@N... Mon 1/24/2000 2 KB 20495 Re: Zeit and Electronic Meditation Nigbur D Mon 1/24/2000 2 KB 20517 Re: Zeit and Electronic Meditation Chris Richards Tue 1/25/2000 2 KB From: Bert.Hulshoff@N... Date: Mon Jan 24, 2000 3:36 pm Subject: RE: Zeit and Electronic Meditation Well Todd, I think you dislike space music, if you would give your brain and ears an second change , it would be possible that you begin liking those early albums. There is more than one note. IMHO Zeit still is one of the best space albums of all time Bert aka Phrozenlight my Homepage http://members.tripod.lycos.nl/PhrozenLight/ (still under construction) please listen to my spacesongs and send me an review ;-) > my home-email phrozenlight@z... > > > It was years ago when I heard these two albums. > > But from what I remember, my best description of Zeit would be the > following: Hit one note and stay there. > > From my memory, Electronic Meditation sounded like a recording of a clumsy > > individual, who set up a hardware shop in a very large echo chamber and > accidentally dropped different tools at random intervals. > > If there was more to Electronic Meditation, then I must not have heard the > > entire album. > > From: 'Thomas' Date: Mon Jan 24, 2000 3:48 pm Subject: SV: Zeit and Electronic Meditation > From: Bert.Hulshoff@N... > > IMHO Zeit still is one of the best space albums of all time > > Bert INDEED! At the time we reviewed Zeit here @onelist it didn't do much for me. But now I'm starting to like the somewhat monotonous sound. It really grows with each listen, and I know now that it's an album I'll never become bored with. However, I just owned the Castle Comm remaster at the time. Now I play the first ever Virgin vinyl edition, and this album really does work a lot better on vinyl. It's like my turntable understands that this music was recorded for an analogue medium, and via the turntable it just makes more sense to me. That's my opinion anyway, Thomas Helsingborg, Sweden From: Nigbur D Date: Mon Jan 24, 2000 3:58 pm Subject: RE: hello all, what is zeit really like? It is FANTASTIC if you are in the mood to listen to it. Make sure you take the time to really delve into the music, don't move around, don't do anything else - just sit there and listen. This is one of the albums that requires a lot of concentration, it expects to be worked on rather than just listened to. The more you concentrate on listening, and the more actively you become involved in the music, the more enjoyment you will get out of it. Just make yourself comfortable, open your mind, and start the record - I love it every time I do this, and I avoid by all means to play this album when I'm otherwise engaged. It just doesn't work as background or driving music. Dennis From: 'Patrik .' Date: Mon Jan 24, 2000 8:44 pm Subject: Tangerine Dream Live Hi people, Since 1986 or 1987 all TD concerts are somewhat 'canned'. Meaning that everything (sequencers, rythm, chords,leads, effects) are being ran through the Steinberg Cubase VST Sequencer software. For instance listening to Valentine Wheels, do you really here anything different being played than the studio recordings? I think that Logos and Poland had so much more creativity than the newer concerts. Although TD also in those days had very sophisticated sequencer tools. Something is lost. What do you all think about this? Patrik, Stockholm, Sweden. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20504 Re: Tangerine Dream Live =?iso-8859-2?Q?Micha=B3_Kupcz Mon 1/24/2000 3 KB From: Nigbur D Date: Mon Jan 24, 2000 5:02 pm Subject: RE: Zeit and Electronic Meditation > ---------- > From: Todd and Julie Tornow[SMTP:tetornow@h...] > Reply To: tadream@o... > Sent: 24 January 2000 15:28 > To: tadream@o... > Subject: [tadream] Zeit and Electronic Meditation > > From: 'Todd and Julie Tornow' > [...snip...] > If there was more to Electronic Meditation, then I must not have heard the > > entire album. > > Todd > There is a lot more to it. Although there is little or no evidence of the use of electronic instruments on this album, it serves well as a preview to TD's later musical exploits. The use of original sounds and electric circuits to create a new, unique brand of music is already in evidence here, as is the symphonic structure of compositions. The structure is what fascinates me most about Electronic Meditation: There is something awe-inspiring about the way in which 'Genesis' opens the album, which then proceeds to map the gradual degeneration inherent in the human condition, through chaos into nothingness, until 'Resurrection' completes the cycle and finishes the album on a reprise from the first piece. It is all rather dark and obviously not terribly sophisticated from a technical point of view, but the composition is a work of genius already. Dennis From: Nigbur D Date: Mon Jan 24, 2000 5:07 pm Subject: RE: death will come? The obvious one: Sorcerer. Dennis > ---------- > From: Michael A Jean[SMTP:michaeljean@e...] > Reply To: tadream@o... > Sent: 22 January 2000 03:09 > To: tadream > Subject: RE: [tadream] death will come? > > From: 'Michael A Jean' > > WHat about some of the stuff from Shy People or BLUE ROOM from Legend > > MJ > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: koulos_ [mailto:koulos@S...] > > Sent: Friday, January 21, 2000 10:19 AM > > To: tadream@o... > > Subject: [tadream] death will come? > > > > > > From: 'koulos_' > > > > ok here is the story > > i am playing my character at the role playing game i am playing > > this week when the dangeon master says to me > > > > 'ok man this band you hear a lot ,tangerine dream , do they have > > any dark songs?.....like to hear them and think you are facing > > death and all this stuff? ....' > > > > well do you TDfans outthere feel this way about any album TD made? > > > > i for sure feel a little strange when atem's music rule over the > > air of my room ....... > > > > yours > > koulos from athens > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > > > GRAB THE GATOR! 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Find out at > http://www.haslinger.com and http://www.sonicimages.com/cf/! > From: 'koulos_' Date: Mon Jan 24, 2000 5:40 pm Subject: miracle mile i just bought miracle mile today and i am very satisfied with the music i hear..[more satisfaied than i thought i would be] so what i want o know is if there is sany bootleg containing parts of miracle miles [sounds really interesting to find out althought i think i might be disapointed to find out nothing] i also bought book of dreams and boy what great pictures are those on the disks.........why can't all the disks be like that instead of the stupid fractals used ........ anyway thats for now catch you later [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'joe shoults' Date: Mon Jan 24, 2000 5:51 pm Subject: bosch artwork on B.O.D. cover (wasRE: miracle mile) Book of Dreams artwork = painter Hieronymous Bosch (1450-1516, Dutch, I think) from the painting 'The Temptation of St. Anthony', ca. 1500 Bosch is great stuff. I don't know what he was on (moldy rye bread?), but he was 'surreal' before Dali was an itch in his great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, grandfather's britches! joe > -----Original Message----- > i also bought book of dreams and boy what great pictures are > those on the disks......... From: Joel Mullen Date: Mon Jan 24, 2000 6:24 pm Subject: Enjoy the View Hello all- I just have a quick observation to share. There have been alot of complaints about the use of photoshop-type effects and fractals for the recent TD covers. (and just a few minutes ago another was posted to this list) A lack of creativity is the accusation. Perhaps. There has in the past (and in the last few weeks) been many accusations of TD overusing pre-sets in their creation of recent releases. Again a lack of creativity is charged. Perhaps this is true as well. But as someone who does not see himself as neither a graphic or musical artist it does not make a difference to me. All I see and hear is the end product, which I happen to like. Peers (or people that see themselves as peers) are the greatest critics. A friend of mine is a stand-up commedian and is quick to accuse other commedians of being 'hacks' After a 'real' commedian avoids taking the easy route to making people laugh. But the people still laugh I say. But they SHOULDN'T he says because it is too easy. It makes me wonder if mountain climbers ridicule each other because some choose an easier route to the top. The point is do you climb mountains for the struggle, which is different for all of us, or the view when you get to the top which is the same? I guess I am lucky to be neither a mountain climber, musician or artist. This frees me to enjoy where the music has brought me, no matter who is responsible (TD or technology) You can complain the struggle was not hard enough, I am going to relax enjoy the view. :-) Dream Regards, Joel Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20501 Re: Enjoy the View koulos_ Mon 1/24/2000 2 KB From: Jorge Figueiredo Date: Mon Jan 24, 2000 6:56 pm Subject: Re: bosch artwork on B.O.D. cover joe shoults wrote: > > From: 'joe shoults' > > Book of Dreams artwork = painter Hieronymous Bosch (1450-1516, Dutch, I > think) from the painting 'The Temptation of St. Anthony', ca. 1500 > > Bosch is great stuff. I don't know what he was on (moldy rye bread?), but > he was 'surreal' before Dali was an itch in his great, great, great, great, > great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, > great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, grandfather's > britches! Couldn't agree more! If you want to see the painting live you have to come to Portugal. It is displayed in the 'Museu de Arte Antiga' in Lisbon. Jorge Figueiredo jmsf@c... Coimbra, Portugal